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Category: Semiconductors

Nvidia Q4 Financials: Beat Likely for Q4; Questions Persist for Q1

Posted on February 25, 2025June 30, 2026 by io-fund

Nvidia will release its Q4 FY2025 results on 26th February after market close. Analysts expect Q4 revenue to grow 72.3% YoY to $38.1 billion and adjusted EPS to grow 63.8% YoY to $0.84. The company has a history of beating consensus estimates, at a minimum of $1 billion for six quarters.  

Questions persist as from the supplier stocks listed below, Super Micro lowered guidancefrom a range of $26 billion to $30 billion, down to $23.5 billion to $25 billion on February 13th. Semtech pulled its $50 million floor guidance for AI revenue. AOSL’s Q1 missed. Regarding Astera’s raise for Q1, they called out custom silicon as driving Q1 revenue rather than merchant GPUs. Vertiv gave mixed results that were a hair lower than previous full year organic sales growth (at 16% instead of 17%). TSMC lowered guidance due to an earthquake.  

With that said, analysts expect Super Micro revenue to grow 27% sequentially in Q2, which suggests more meaningful Blackwell revenue could begin to ramp in the June quarter. We will look for more information from Nvidia on Wed evening. 

Revenue 

Management guided Q4 revenue of $37.5 billion, representing YoY growth of 69.7% and 6.9% QoQ at midpoint. The Q4 growth is expected to be driven by continued demand for Hopper architecture and the initial ramp of Blackwell products. Management provided guidance during Q2 results to “ship several billions in Blackwell revenue” and provided an update during Q3 earnings call that “we are on track to exceed our previous Blackwell revenue estimate of several billion dollars as our visibility into supply continues to increase.” 

UBS analyst Timothy Arcuri expects Blackwell’s revenue of $9 billion in Q4. He said, "We now see Blackwell revenue at ~$9B in Jan Q (vs. ~$5B previously and supply chain capacity able to support as much as $14B) but we believe Hopper is down in Jan," Arcuri added. "Net, we remain at ~$42B for FQ4 (Jan) (Data Center ~$38B) with FQ1 (April) still ~$47B." 

  • Q3 revenue grew by 93.6% YoY to $35.08 billion, driven by strong Hopper revenue. 
  • Analysts expect Q4 revenue to be $38.1 billion, representing YoY growth of 72.3% and QoQ growth of 8.6% 
  • Q1 revenue consensus is $41.98 billion, for YoY growth of 61.2% and QoQ growth of 10.2%.

Looking at sequential growth, Q4 would represent the slowest QoQ growth for two consecutive quarters since Hopper’s ramp, which is to be expected given the new generation of GPUs are scheduled to ramp in H1 2025. We expressed concerns about the timing of Blackwell ramping, primarily based on what suppliers were saying in their most recent earnings reports.

  • Looking further out, analysts expect revenue to grow 51.7% YoY to $195.9 billion in FY2026 ending January 2026 and 21.4% YoY to $237.8 billion in FY2027.

Margins 

Margins are also expected to be a focus during the upcoming earnings, as the Hopper ramp helped the company to improve its bottom line. However, the gross margins will drop for a couple of quarters during the initial ramp of Blackwell to the low-70s and increase to the mid-70s when Blackwell is fully ramped in the second half of the calendar year 2025. This was further clarified in the Q3 earnings call Q&A. 

Q: Timothy Arcuri (Analyst)  

“[…] And then Colette, you kind of talked about Blackwell bringing down gross margin to the low-70s as it ramps. So I guess if April is the crossover, is that the worst of the pressure on gross margin? So you're going to be kind of in the low-70s as soon as April. I'm just wondering if you can sort of shape that for us. Thanks.”  

A: Colette Kress (CFO)  

Sure. Let me first start with your question, Tim. Thank you regarding our gross margins, and we discussed our gross margins as we are ramping Blackwell in the very beginning and the many different configurations, the many different chips that we are bringing to market, we are going to focus on making sure we have the best experience for our customers as they stand that up. We will start growing into our gross margins, but we do believe those will be in the low 70s in that first part of the ramp. So you're correct, as you look at the quarters following after that, we will start increasing our gross margins and we hope to get to the mid-70s quite quickly as part of that ramp.” 

Q: Vivek Arya (Analyst)  

“Thanks for taking my question. Colette, just to clarify, do you think it's a fair assumption to think NVIDIA could recover to kind of mid-70s gross margin in the back half of calendar 2025? Just wanted to clarify that.” 

A: Colette Kress (CFO)  

“Okay. Vivek, thank you for the question. Let me clarify your question regarding gross margins. Could we reach the mid-70s in the second half of next year? And yes, I think it is reasonable assumption or a goal for us to do, but we'll just have to see how that mix of ramp goes. But yes, it is definitely possible.” 

Q: Stacy Rasgon (Analyst)  

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Colette, I had a clarification and a question for you. The clarification, just when you say low-70s gross margins, is 73.5 count as low-70s, or do you have something else in mind? 

Colette Kress (CFO)  

“So first starting on your first question there, Stacy, regarding our gross margin and defined low. Low, of course, is below the mid, and let's say we might be at 71%, maybe about 72%, 72.5%, we're going to be in that range. We could be higher than that as well. We're just going to have to see how it comes through. We do want to make sure that we are ramping and continuing that improvement, the improvement in terms of our yields, the improvement in terms of the product as we go through the rest of the year. So we'll get up to the mid-70s by that point.” 

–End Quote 

  • Q3 gross margin was 74.6% compared to 74% in the same period last year. Management’s guide for Q4 is 73%. The adjusted gross margin was 75% in Q3 for both periods and the management guide for the next quarter is 73.5%. 
  • Q3’s operating margin was 62.3% compared to 57.5% in the same period last year with a guide of 60.2% for Q4.  Adjusted gross margin was 66.3% compared to 63.8% in the same period last year and guide of 64.4% for Q4. 
  • Q3's net margin was 55% compared to 51% in the same period last year and the guide for Q4 is 51.2%. Adjusted net margin was 57% in Q3 compared to 55.3% in the same period last year. 

EPS

Q3 GAAP EPS grew by 110% YoY to $0.78, and adjusted EPS grew by 101.5% YoY to $0.81, driven by strong operating leverage. Analysts expect strong growth in the coming quarters. However, growth is expected to moderate in line with the revenue growth. 

  • Analysts expect Q4 adjusted EPS to grow 63.8% YoY to $0.84 and 49% YoY to $0.91 in Q1. 
  • Looking further out, analysts expect adjusted EPS to grow 50.3% YoY to $4.44 in FY2026 and 26.1% YoY to $5.60 in FY2027.

Cash Flows and Balance Sheet 

Q3 cash flow remained strong, with operating and free cash flow margins both expanding sequentially and YoY. 

  • Q3's operating cash flow margin was 50.3% compared to 40.5% in the same period last year. 
  • Q3’s free cash flow margin was 47.9% compared to 38.9% in the same period last year.  
  • Cash and marketable securities were $38.49 billion and debt of $8.46 billion compared to $34.8 billion and $8.46 billion at the end of Q2.  
  • The company repurchased shares worth $11.0 billion and paid $245 million in dividends in Q3. 

Key Metrics 

Q3 data center revenue grew by 112% YoY and 17% QoQ to $30.77 billion, driven by strong Hopper revenue.  

According to estimates from FactSet, the data center is expected to increase $2.6 billion sequentially to $33.37 billion compared to the $4.5 billion increase in Q3, which would mark the lowest sequential increase since the AI boom at the beginning of 2023. UBS analyst Timothy Arcuri is more bullish and expects Data Center revenue to be $38 billion with Blackwell’s revenue of $9 billion in Q4.  

However, analysts are mixed with Mizuho’s Vijay Rakesh stating he is expecting a “more flattish” Q1 with data center revenue of $36.7 billion versus $37.4 billion consensus.  

On the other hand, KeyBanc analyst believes that despite the supply chain constraints for GB200 servers it will be backfilled with HGX-based B200 servers with x86 head nodes. The same note points toward H2 being more likely GB200s: “Baird believes previously discussed delays for GB200 have not been related to demand but to data enter availability while architecture novelties have taken time to implement and optimize. Investors should not assume that these initial delays will lead customers to skip to the next-generation products, the firm contends. It expects GB200 to represent the majority of Nvidia's GB mix in the second half of 2025 and into 2026.” The analyst believes GB200s will be offset by B200 servers including the HGX-based servers and H20 GPUs from China.

  • Q3 gaming revenue increased 15% YoY and 14% QoQ to $3.28 billion, driven by GeForce RTX 40 Series and game console SoCs. Management expects gaming revenue to decline sequentially due to supply chain constraints.  
  • Pro Viz revenue increased 17% YoY and 7% QoQ to $486 million, driven by the ramp up of RTX GPU workstations. 
  • Automotive revenue increased 72% YoY and 30% QoQ to $449 million, driven by the ramp of Nvidia’s self-driving platform revenue. 
  • OEM and other revenue increased 33% YoY and 10% QoQ to $97 million.  

Valuation 

The company is trading at a P/E ratio of 54.5 and a forward P/E ratio of 31.2. 

The P/S ratio is 30.4 compared to the average P/S ratio of 25, the forward P/S ratio is 17.3. These valuations are very reasonable and typically present a buying opportunity as the company has been rapidly growing its top and bottom line.

Technical Analysis 

By Knox Ridley 

Since Nvidia bottomed on October 13th 2022, we have seen three distinct uptrends emerge. We are in the 3rd of these uptrends, and it is markedly different than the prior two. For one, unlike the first two, the uptrend that started in August of 2024 is relatively weak with a messy and overlapping structure. The prior two were nearly vertical. The second notable difference is that volume is weakening the higher price goes into the current uptrend. This is not like the prior two uptrends that saw volume expand with price. This signals that there is less excitement about the current move higher, as less buyers are supporting it.

If we examine the potential pattern the current uptrend is taking, there are only two that make sense, given the price action.  Within the larger context of the uptrend, we are either setting up for the final 5th wave or a drop to complete the larger 4th wave.

If we zoom in, we can get a better idea of the levels to monitor that will signal what is likely playing out.

The Green Count – If this is a continuation of the larger uptrend, it is taking the form of an ending diagonal pattern. These patterns are the final swings in a larger 5 wave uptrend. They also tend to follow a powerful 3rd waves, which is what we saw with NVDA in 2024.  

Ending diagonals are also a 5 wave patterns that have significant overlaps and are relatively weak. If this is the pattern in play, we will need to hold over the $119 – $123 support zone and then break above the $144 – $149 resistance zone. If this does happen, we will be in the 5th wave of this ending diagonal, which will target between $165 – $211. This will end the 5th wave and should lead to a notable retrace. 

The Blue Count – Considering the messy and overlapping nature of this uptrend, there is a chance that this was a corrective bounce in an on-going correction that started in June of 2024. This would suggest that the B wave of this downtrend ended on January 7th with a double top. The final C wave drop should break below $123 – $119, and find support between $102 – $83.

Considering that Nvidia has been the market leader since 2023, and the most important name in the AI infrastructure cycle, how this stocks breaks will be very important to the bull market.

Conclusion: 

Nvidia has an attractive valuation and is one of the few tech stocks in the market that does. Typically, we would buy here. However, the I/O Fund prefers to wait to see how the supplier commentary around Blackwell resolves before deciding next steps since we are particularly exposed to AI semis.  

Our team has no doubt we will capture the next, powerful move higher in AI as we closely track key companies. However, given we our portfolio carries a higher beta profile, we tend to be more cautious on timing. With tech, you should not have to accept increased risk to buy – as the buys take care of themselves when a trend is in play and “all systems are a go.”  

If Nvidia does well on Wednesday – great, we are clearly participating with a heavy allocation to AI semis. If Nvidia stumbles with a Q1 outlook, then we are prepared for that too and will hedge our AI semis. That’s all you can ask for as an investor – is to have a plan! 

Lead Tech Analyst Beth Kindig and Equity Analyst Royston Roche contributed to this analysis.

Please note: The I/O Fund conducts research and draws conclusions for the company’s portfolio. We then share that information with our readers and offer real-time trade notifications. This is not a guarantee of a stock’s performance and it is not financial advice. Please consult your personal financial advisor before buying any stock in the companies mentioned in this analysis. Beth Kindig and the I/O Fund own shares in NVDA at the time of writing and may own stocks pictured in the charts.

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AI Hardware Suppliers Forecast Muted H1, Strong H2 — and What it Might Mean for Nvidia

Posted on February 11, 2025June 30, 2026 by io-fund

We’ve heard from a handful of management teams that are direct suppliers to Blackwell over the last four business days, and the tone has shifted to more of a H2 discussion for rack-level systems. There are a few possibilities for this shift in tone, such as these specific suppliers are falling out of favor with Nvidia, but given that a variety of suppliers are echoing one another, it’s more likely that Nvidia’s GB200s are not completely on time to ramp in volume for Q1 and at least for part of Q2 as “mid-summer” and “H2” has come up repeatedly. 

This is not a prediction, as reading tea leaves or a crystal ball is not the service we offer. What we offer is analysis – a way of connecting the dots to make more informed decisions. Right now, according to our analysis and earnings calls, the risk to the downside has increased that Nvidia is not shipping on time for the more complex GPU systems. Should the analysis play out, it simply means we will get Nvidia’s stock lower for the next leg higher.

The comments offered below are subtleties, as the last thing a supplier wants to do is get in the crosshairs of Nvidia. Yet, we’ve had a handful of suppliers’ report, and I’m struggling to find the expected strong commentary for the March quarter and there is also an absence of strong commentary for the June quarter (as it currently stands).

I’ve been on back-to-back earnings calls and offer the following excerpts in terms of this conclusion.

Astera Labs: Aries PCIe Gen 6 Tone Changed

It makes sense to start with Astera because they were the most direct in terms of discussing merchant GPUs (i.e., Nvidia) not being the driver for Q1.

Astera stated they are shipping pre-production quantities for its Scorpio P Series and Aries PCIe Gen 6 solutions to maximize GPU throughput. The company stated: “These programs are driving higher dollar content opportunities for Astera Labs on a full rack and full accelerator basis and we expect volume deployments to begin in the second half of this year.”

What this comment implies is both the Scorpio P Series and PCIe Gen 6 will deploy in H2, yet originally, PCIe 6.0 was expected to ramp with support initially offered in the GB200s. Back in March, Astera demo’ed PCIe 6.0 for a wide range of Blackwell products.

There was also indication back in the August call that Gen 6 was confirmed to be used in Blackwell’s GB200, and there were initial shipments: “We have started shipping initial quantities of preproduction orders of our PCIe Gen 6 solution, Aries 6. We ship and support our hyperscaler customers initial program developments that are based on Nvidia's Blackwell platform, including GB200.”

There was further confirmation in the November call that preproduction volumes were shipping: “At the recent 2024 OCP Global Summit, we demonstrated the industry's first PCIe Gen 6 fabric switch, which is currently shipping in preproduction volumes for AI platforms.”

As Nvidia investors, we keep a close eye on these suppliers as they often can flag any issues with unparalleled accuracy. Given we are nose-down on many earnings reports over the past year regarding Nvidia’s AI systems specifically, there’s a notable change in tone for Astera to go from preproduction volumes to now shipping in volume in H2.

The following was discussed in the Q&A section:

“Now, if you look into 2025, we see both contributing growth. The first half of the year will be more predominantly the AI – internal AI accelerator programs. But if you get into the back half of the year, the transition on the merchant GPUs will also be very strong for us. This is where you'll see the custom rack configurations start to deploy and that’s where we see a big dollar increase in our contemporary GPU with Scorpio starting to ramp.”

On one hand this is a positive, but on the other hand, it raises questions as to why merchant GPUs (Nvidia) will be stronger in the back half of the year as this does not match the anticipated timing originally described by Nvidia’s management team with the CEO stating, “Blackwell production is in full steam. I think we're in great shape with respect to the Blackwell ramp at this point.”

There could be an argument made it’s unique to Astera Labs, yet we have seen something similar echoed across a few management teams recently.

Thomas O'Malley   Barclays Bank

Super helpful. And then my follow-up was just — I think it was Mike's commentary on one of the first questions here on the call. You talked about kind of the year 2025 on the Aries side, talking about how in the first half of the year, you would see more internal AI efforts followed by the second half of the year being more merchant GPU. That comment was a bit surprising to me given we're going through a big product transition now at the large customer of yours. So is there any change in the way that you see the ramp of 2025 versus where you did before? I would have anticipated maybe the merchant GPU being a bit stronger earlier in the year. Just any reason behind those comments that caught me a little off guard.

Michael Tate   CFO

Sure. Yes, so the — first of all, the merchant GPU drives both Scorpio and Aries. So the big incremental piece of the merchant GPUs is the score field content which is all new for us. The designs that we have are complex in nature, they're all new. So the — to get them — to productize and ramp we're looking at that to start off in the back half of the year. Right now, in the first half of the year's preproduction. These are all for custom configuration. So the customization adds a little bit of lead time to the volume rates.

Coherent: Tone on Pluggable Optics Versus Active Cable

In our analysis published last week, it was stated: “As we look at larger AI systems ramping this year, there is some evidence that issues around single-rack Blackwell systems have been resolved yet multi-rack interconnects continue to see issues with overheating. Even though Nvidia has stated they are on schedule with Blackwell, the B300s and next generation Rubin will very likely require more fine-tuning.”

However, there was a sudden change in Coherent’s tone around fiber optics versus copper, which we outlined here:

“Looking beyond traditional pluggable optics, there is an increasing amount of discussion around co-packaged optics (CPOs), which places the optical transceivers directly on the chip package, rather than using separate optical modules. This results in faster data transmission, reduced latency and higher bandwidth. This may be the best of both worlds: the performance of optical yet with reduced power consumption. Tracking this is especially important as since we last covered copper/Semtech, there have been reports that copper is “causing concurrent issues with overheating and glitching” with rumors Nvidia will launch a CPO switch at the upcoming GTC. That could mean Coherent will be a lead supplier for the anticipated CPO switch – we will be monitoring this closely.”

This later led to Semtech stating they expect sales of CopperEdge products to be lower than the $50 million guidance provided in the earnings call four weeks ago. Our team’s spidey senses were up following Coherent’s report (per the paragraph above), and thus, we respected the stop we provided to our Members in weekly webinars – here and here. The stop was hit on Friday with a trade alert stating the story had changed about 30 mins before market close. The context is important as it communicates that Semtech was also caught off guard as to changes with the server rack configuration with a sudden, unforeseen change in the last four weeks.

Regarding Coherent, if they were the beneficiary of pluggable optics replacing copper, one would assume a strong Q1. Yet when asked about the flat QoQ revenue on the call, the CEO stated it was not due to the AI-related segments: “It's pretty straightforward. We expect datacom and telecom to be up sequentially. And we expect the rest of our industrial related businesses to be down sequentially. And that net at the midpoint to be flat.”

Perhaps AI-related segments are remaining strong enough to not miss guidance, yet why are they not able to offset industrial weakness for sequential growth. That piece was left unanswered.

Read-through for Credo?

One potential read-through is that Credo is in a better position to gain the business following Semtech’s announcement with its AECs for AI backend networks. The company also offers optical DSPs and PAM4 solutions. The possibility of Credo gaining this business is an outcome we have been prepping for by owning a wide array of suppliers. Read more here.

With that said, it’s the sudden change of information from four weeks ago – announced Friday after market close — that marks a notable shift our Members should be aware of.

Power Management Integrated Circuits (PMICs):

This component is where the rubber meets the road as the thermal management issues Blackwell has been rumored to face are addressed with PMICs.

Monolithic Power Systems reported on Friday and had many comments about their ramp being H2 weighted: “Yes. Just to add a little bit of color to how we see the year rolling out, we believe that, we will be off to a slower start in the first half of the year. But as the year develops, the customer base is expected to broaden as hyperscalers launch their new products. We have multiple product ramps with both existing customers as well as with these new hyperscalers. So as Michael just said, we believe, it's likely to be a flattish year, but we believe that from a quality and supply availability perspective, we're in very good shape.”

On one hand, some analysts do not think MPS is designed into the Blackwell systems (Keybanc) whereas Truist is “highly confident” MPS is designed into the systems. According to this report, I lean with Keybanc that MPS is designed into Blackwell Ultra.

“(11/18) KeyBanc lowered the firm's price target on Monolithic Power to $700 from $1,075 and keeps an Overweight rating on the shares. The firm believes Monolithic Power will lose significant market share on Blackwell with the ramp of GB200/B200, as Hopper PMIC overheating issues have persisted on Blackwell. KeyBanc expects IFX to be the primary supplier on Blackwell, with Renesas having secondary share. While Monolithic Power is attempting to requalify, the earliest this likely could happen would be with Blackwell Ultra in the second half of 2025.”

“(12/16) Truist analyst William Stein lowered the firm's price target on Monolithic Power to $762 from $887 and keeps a Buy rating on the shares. The firm reiterated a cautious semiconductor and artificial intelligence sector view, but is more constructive on Nvidia (NVDA) and Monolithic Power (MPWR) while more cautious on Tesla (TSLA). While Monolithic Power's print position at Nvidia is in doubt today, Truist is "highly confident" that Monolithic is designed in to Blackwell, the analyst tells investors in a research note. The firm cut enterprise data revenue estimates for Q1 significantly, but highlights Monolithic's "likely top position across a breadth of AI customers, supporting solid growth over the next few years."

Yet another PMIC supplier that we covered on the Advanced side on Feb 5th, is stating that “We know that we're not the only one players going after this, so the share is still to be determined. The final design, everything is still to be finalized as well, too. So we're working closely with the customer. Again, at this point, we can say that we're targeting for a mid-year launch.”

This company is either discussing Blackwell Ultra with the B300s, or they are implying GB200s are delayed. After hearing from more component suppliers, the likelihood they are actually discussing Blackwell (and not Blackwell Ultra) has increased since we wrote the analysis last week.

Conclusion:

Investors should have a plan for this – ride out any weakness with the understanding there is $300 billion in capex and growing pointed right at AI hardware, or have a more active stance which includes risk controls such as stops on positions, hedging, etcetera. For the IOF, we hedge while having predefined price targets and predefined stops. For the most part, should the analysis we’ve presented above play out, then our goal will be to buy quality suppliers at lower prices. I firmly believe the suppliers that move Blackwell forward with be greatly rewarded, and the hard work we are putting in will be rewarded.

Direct liquid cooling suppliers report today at the bell (SMCI) and tomorrow before market open (Vertiv). Let’s see if they are aligned (or not) with the other suppliers offering a mixed Q1 outlook.

Regarding Nvidia, we recently trimmed 6% to re-allocate to Nvidia AI hardware suppliers. If we break $126 and/or $113, it’s my understanding we will trim more with the goal of loading back up sub-$100 and perhaps even sub-$90. Join the Advanced webinar this Thursday to find out more.

Please note: The I/O Fund conducts research and draws conclusions for the company’s portfolio. We then share that information with our readers and offer real-time trade notifications. This is not a guarantee of a stock’s performance and it is not financial advice. Please consult your personal financial advisor before buying any stock in the companies mentioned in this analysis. Beth Kindig and the I/O Fund own shares in NVDA at the time of writing and may own stocks pictured in the charts.

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AI Hardware Suppliers Forecast Muted H1, Strong H2 — and What it Might Mean for Nvidia

Posted on February 11, 2025June 30, 2026 by io-fund

We’ve heard from a handful of management teams that are direct suppliers to Blackwell over the last four business days, and the tone has shifted to more of a H2 discussion for rack-level systems. There are a few possibilities for this shift in tone, such as these specific suppliers are falling out of favor with Nvidia, but given that a variety of suppliers are echoing one another, it’s more likely that Nvidia’s GB200s are not completely on time to ramp in volume for Q1 and at least for part of Q2 as “mid-summer” and “H2” has come up repeatedly. 

This is not a prediction, as reading tea leaves or a crystal ball is not the service we offer. What we offer is analysis – a way of connecting the dots to make more informed decisions. Right now, according to our analysis and earnings calls, the risk to the downside has increased that Nvidia is not shipping on time for the more complex GPU systems. Should the analysis play out, it simply means we will get Nvidia’s stock lower for the next leg higher.

The comments offered below are subtleties, as the last thing a supplier wants to do is get in the crosshairs of Nvidia. Yet, we’ve had a handful of suppliers’ report, and I’m struggling to find the expected strong commentary for the March quarter and there is also an absence of strong commentary for the June quarter (as it currently stands).

I’ve been on back-to-back earnings calls and offer the following excerpts in terms of this conclusion.

Astera Labs: Aries PCIe Gen 6 Tone Changed

It makes sense to start with Astera because they were the most direct in terms of discussing merchant GPUs (i.e., Nvidia) not being the driver for Q1.

Astera stated they are shipping pre-production quantities for its Scorpio P Series and Aries PCIe Gen 6 solutions to maximize GPU throughput. The company stated: “These programs are driving higher dollar content opportunities for Astera Labs on a full rack and full accelerator basis and we expect volume deployments to begin in the second half of this year.”

What this comment implies is both the Scorpio P Series and PCIe Gen 6 will deploy in H2, yet originally, PCIe 6.0 was expected to ramp with support initially offered in the GB200s. Back in March, Astera demo’ed PCIe 6.0 for a wide range of Blackwell products.

There was also indication back in the August call that Gen 6 was confirmed to be used in Blackwell’s GB200, and there were initial shipments: “We have started shipping initial quantities of preproduction orders of our PCIe Gen 6 solution, Aries 6. We ship and support our hyperscaler customers initial program developments that are based on Nvidia's Blackwell platform, including GB200.”

There was further confirmation in the November call that preproduction volumes were shipping: “At the recent 2024 OCP Global Summit, we demonstrated the industry's first PCIe Gen 6 fabric switch, which is currently shipping in preproduction volumes for AI platforms.”

As Nvidia investors, we keep a close eye on these suppliers as they often can flag any issues with unparalleled accuracy. Given we are nose-down on many earnings reports over the past year regarding Nvidia’s AI systems specifically, there’s a notable change in tone for Astera to go from preproduction volumes to now shipping in volume in H2.

The following was discussed in the Q&A section:

“Now, if you look into 2025, we see both contributing growth. The first half of the year will be more predominantly the AI – internal AI accelerator programs. But if you get into the back half of the year, the transition on the merchant GPUs will also be very strong for us. This is where you'll see the custom rack configurations start to deploy and that’s where we see a big dollar increase in our contemporary GPU with Scorpio starting to ramp.”

On one hand this is a positive, but on the other hand, it raises questions as to why merchant GPUs (Nvidia) will be stronger in the back half of the year as this does not match the anticipated timing originally described by Nvidia’s management team with the CEO stating, “Blackwell production is in full steam. I think we're in great shape with respect to the Blackwell ramp at this point.”

There could be an argument made it’s unique to Astera Labs, yet we have seen something similar echoed across a few management teams recently.

Thomas O'Malley   Barclays Bank

Super helpful. And then my follow-up was just — I think it was Mike's commentary on one of the first questions here on the call. You talked about kind of the year 2025 on the Aries side, talking about how in the first half of the year, you would see more internal AI efforts followed by the second half of the year being more merchant GPU. That comment was a bit surprising to me given we're going through a big product transition now at the large customer of yours. So is there any change in the way that you see the ramp of 2025 versus where you did before? I would have anticipated maybe the merchant GPU being a bit stronger earlier in the year. Just any reason behind those comments that caught me a little off guard.

Michael Tate   CFO

Sure. Yes, so the — first of all, the merchant GPU drives both Scorpio and Aries. So the big incremental piece of the merchant GPUs is the score field content which is all new for us. The designs that we have are complex in nature, they're all new. So the — to get them — to productize and ramp we're looking at that to start off in the back half of the year. Right now, in the first half of the year's preproduction. These are all for custom configuration. So the customization adds a little bit of lead time to the volume rates.

Coherent: Tone on Pluggable Optics Versus Active Cable

In our analysis published last week, it was stated: “As we look at larger AI systems ramping this year, there is some evidence that issues around single-rack Blackwell systems have been resolved yet multi-rack interconnects continue to see issues with overheating. Even though Nvidia has stated they are on schedule with Blackwell, the B300s and next generation Rubin will very likely require more fine-tuning.”

However, there was a sudden change in Coherent’s tone around fiber optics versus copper, which we outlined here:

“Looking beyond traditional pluggable optics, there is an increasing amount of discussion around co-packaged optics (CPOs), which places the optical transceivers directly on the chip package, rather than using separate optical modules. This results in faster data transmission, reduced latency and higher bandwidth. This may be the best of both worlds: the performance of optical yet with reduced power consumption. Tracking this is especially important as since we last covered copper/Semtech, there have been reports that copper is “causing concurrent issues with overheating and glitching” with rumors Nvidia will launch a CPO switch at the upcoming GTC. That could mean Coherent will be a lead supplier for the anticipated CPO switch – we will be monitoring this closely.”

This later led to Semtech stating they expect sales of CopperEdge products to be lower than the $50 million guidance provided in the earnings call four weeks ago. Our team’s spidey senses were up following Coherent’s report (per the paragraph above), and thus, we respected the stop we provided to our Members in weekly webinars. The stop was hit on Friday with a trade alert stating the story had changed about 30 mins before market close. The context is important as it communicates that Semtech was also caught off guard as to changes with the server rack configuration with a sudden, unforeseen change in the last four weeks.

Regarding Coherent, if they were the beneficiary of pluggable optics replacing copper, one would assume a strong Q1. Yet when asked about the flat QoQ revenue on the call, the CEO stated it was not due to the AI-related segments: “It's pretty straightforward. We expect datacom and telecom to be up sequentially. And we expect the rest of our industrial related businesses to be down sequentially. And that net at the midpoint to be flat.”

Perhaps AI-related segments are remaining strong enough to not miss guidance, yet why are they not able to offset industrial weakness for sequential growth. That piece was left unanswered.

Read-through for Credo?

One potential read-through is that Credo is in a better position to gain the business following Semtech’s announcement with its AECs for AI backend networks. The company also offers optical DSPs and PAM4 solutions. The possibility of Credo gaining this business is an outcome we have been prepping for by owning a wide array of suppliers. Read more here.

With that said, it’s the sudden change of information from four weeks ago – announced Friday after market close — that marks a notable shift our Members should be aware of.

Power Management Integrated Circuits (PMICs):

This component is where the rubber meets the road as the thermal management issues Blackwell has been rumored to face are addressed with PMICs.

Monolithic Power Systems reported on Friday and had many comments about their ramp being H2 weighted: “Yes. Just to add a little bit of color to how we see the year rolling out, we believe that, we will be off to a slower start in the first half of the year. But as the year develops, the customer base is expected to broaden as hyperscalers launch their new products. We have multiple product ramps with both existing customers as well as with these new hyperscalers. So as Michael just said, we believe, it's likely to be a flattish year, but we believe that from a quality and supply availability perspective, we're in very good shape.”

On one hand, some analysts do not think MPS is designed into the Blackwell systems (Keybanc) whereas Truist is “highly confident” MPS is designed into the systems. According to this report, I lean with Keybanc that MPS is designed into Blackwell Ultra.

“(11/18) KeyBanc lowered the firm's price target on Monolithic Power to $700 from $1,075 and keeps an Overweight rating on the shares. The firm believes Monolithic Power will lose significant market share on Blackwell with the ramp of GB200/B200, as Hopper PMIC overheating issues have persisted on Blackwell. KeyBanc expects IFX to be the primary supplier on Blackwell, with Renesas having secondary share. While Monolithic Power is attempting to requalify, the earliest this likely could happen would be with Blackwell Ultra in the second half of 2025.”

“(12/16) Truist analyst William Stein lowered the firm's price target on Monolithic Power to $762 from $887 and keeps a Buy rating on the shares. The firm reiterated a cautious semiconductor and artificial intelligence sector view, but is more constructive on Nvidia (NVDA) and Monolithic Power (MPWR) while more cautious on Tesla (TSLA). While Monolithic Power's print position at Nvidia is in doubt today, Truist is "highly confident" that Monolithic is designed in to Blackwell, the analyst tells investors in a research note. The firm cut enterprise data revenue estimates for Q1 significantly, but highlights Monolithic's "likely top position across a breadth of AI customers, supporting solid growth over the next few years."

Yet another PMIC supplier that we covered on the Advanced side on Feb 5th, is stating that “We know that we're not the only one players going after this, so the share is still to be determined. The final design, everything is still to be finalized as well, too. So we're working closely with the customer. Again, at this point, we can say that we're targeting for a mid-year launch.”

This company is either discussing Blackwell Ultra with the B300s, or they are implying GB200s are delayed. After hearing from more component suppliers, the likelihood they are actually discussing Blackwell (and not Blackwell Ultra) has increased since we wrote the analysis last week.

Conclusion:

Investors should have a plan for this – ride out any weakness with the understanding there is $300 billion in capex and growing pointed right at AI hardware, or have a more active stance which includes risk controls such as stops on positions, hedging, etcetera. For the IOF, we hedge while having predefined price targets and predefined stops. For the most part, should the analysis we’ve presented above play out, then our goal will be to buy quality suppliers at lower prices. I firmly believe the suppliers that move Blackwell forward with be greatly rewarded, and the hard work we are putting in will be rewarded.

Direct liquid cooling suppliers report today at the bell (SMCI) and tomorrow before market open (Vertiv). Let’s see if they are aligned (or not) with the other suppliers offering a mixed Q1 outlook.

Regarding Nvidia, we recently trimmed 6% to re-allocate to Nvidia AI hardware suppliers. If we break $126 and/or $113, it’s my understanding we will trim more with the goal of loading back up sub-$100 and perhaps even sub-$90. We will discuss this more in our Advanced webinar this Thursday.

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Astera Labs Q4 Earnings: Strong Commentary for H2 Ramp; What It Could Mean

Posted on February 11, 2025June 30, 2026 by io-fund

Astera Labs reported solid earnings that beat the top-line and bottom-line estimates driven by AI strength. Q4 revenue grew by 179.4% YoY and 24.8% QoQ to $141.3 million, beating estimates by 10.3%. Adjusted EPS grew by 208.3% YoY to $0.37 and 150% YoY to $0.30 after excluding one-time tax benefit, beating estimates by 15.8%.

Management Q1 revenue guide is $151 million to $155 million, representing YoY growth of 134.4% at the midpoint, beating estimates by 14.2%. Adjusted EPS guide is $0.28 to $0.29, beating estimates by 14%.

The only downside in the report was the gross margin, which was below the management guide due to the higher mix of hardware revenue. Management reiterated that margins will trend closer to the long-term gross margin target of 70% from the current 74%.

Looking ahead, the IOF is likely to build a bigger Astera position in 2025 due to nearly-unrivaled pricing power from PCIe 5.0 retimers and higher average sales prices from the soon-ramping Scorpio PCIe 6.0 switches. In our original analysis, it was stated: “We are interested in Astera Labs for the increased average sales prices that are expected to persist at least through 2025-2026 due to the Aries products and upcoming Scorpio products.” This was reiterated on the earnings call: “we will continue to benefit from increased dollar content per accelerator in these next-generation AI infrastructure systems.”

The see-saw market reaction is similar to what we are seeing across many AI-related hardware companies, which is due to mixed messaging around the delivery of Blackwell systems. Management indicated their Q1 is primarily being driven by custom silicon programs, which is a positive to be diversified, yet requires additional due diligence for Nvidia investors such as ourselves.

Overall, management teams are offering a more muted Q1 in their commentary with increased anticipation for H2 2025. Where Astera Labs is unique is they serve both custom silicon and GPU systems, of which, there are many systems combining both.

Regarding tariffs and China, Astera Labs has 15% exposure and this is less of a concern for this stock, then say, something like Blackwell being delayed. It’s speculative as to the extent that Blackwell is delayed, yet we have now another management team aligned with this possibility.

I look at this and more below.

Q4 Revenue Grows 179% from Aries and Taurus Products

Chart of Astera Labs quarterly revenue and YoY growth rates

The company’s Q4 revenue grew by 179.4% YoY and 24.8% QoQ to $141.3 million, beating estimates by 10.3%, driven by strong AI demand.

The company experienced significant revenue growth in Q4 primarily due to strong sales of its Aries PCIe Retimer and Taurus Ethernet Smart Cable Module products. Leo and Scorpio's product momentum continued, with both products shipping in pre-production volumes during the fourth quarter.

Here is what management stated about the beat – most intriguing is the note that 2025 will be a “breakout year” and that the Scorpio products are slated to become the company’s largest product line (and yet did not drive the current outsized revenue growth and beat):

“Our revenue growth in 2024 was largely driven by Aries products, along with a strong ramp of Taurus in the fourth quarter. We expect 2025 to be a breakout year as we enter a new phase of growth driven by production revenue from all four of our product families to support a diverse set of customers and platforms. We expect 2025 to be a breakout year as we enter a new phase of growth driven by production revenue from all four of our product families to support a diverse set of customers and platforms. 

In 2025, our Aries and Taurus retirements are on track to continue their strong growth trajectory. Also, Astera Labs is poised to be a key enabler of CXL proliferation over the next several years with the volume ramp of our Leo family expected to start in second half of ‘25. 

Finally, our Scorpio smart fabric switches will begin ramping this year with new and broadening engagements for a scale up with our X series and scale out with our PCD switches. In time, we expect Scorpio Fabrics switches to become our largest product line, given the size and growth of the market opportunity for AI Fabrics.”to become our largest product line, given the size and growth of the market opportunity for AI Fabrics.”

  • Management Q1 revenue guide is $151 million to $155 million, representing a YoY growth of 134.4% and 8.4% QoQ at the midpoint, beating estimates by 14.2%.
  • Analysts expect revenue to grow 108.6% YoY and 5% QoQ to $160.58 million in Q2 and 59% YoY and 12% QoQ to $179.85 million in Q3.
Graph of Astera Labs revenue growth quarterly and forward estimates 2025
  • 2024 revenue grew by 242.3% YoY to $396.3 million, accelerating from 45% growth in 2023.
  • Looking further out, analysts expect revenue to grow 75% in 2025 and 25.8% in 2026.

Regarding 2025 being a breakout year, management stated it was partly due to increased dollar content per accelerator. We offer more in the Q&A section below, yet this was stated in the opening remarks: “As we look into 2025, we see strong secular trends across the industry, supported by higher CapEx spent by our customers, broadening deployment of AI infrastructure driven by more efficient AI models, and company-specific catalysts that should drive above market growth rates for Astera Labs.

Specifically, for 2025, we expect three key business drivers. One is the continued deployment of internally developed AI accelerator platforms that incorporate multiple Astera Labs product families, including Aries, Taurus and Scorpio. As a result, we will continue to benefit from increased dollar content per accelerator in these next-generation AI infrastructure systems.”

The total addressable market of $12 billion was further reiterated by saying, “We estimate our portfolio of hardware and software solutions across retimers, controller and fabric switches will address a $12 billion market by 2028.”

Gross Margin Contracts 330 Basis Points YoY

The company’s bottom line is growing at a remarkable pace. However, the margins will trend lower in the coming quarters due to the expected higher mix of hardware revenue. Notably, stock-based compensation is high yet the company has strong GAAP profitability potential as SBC becomes a lower percentage in the coming quarters/years.

Table of Astera Labs quarterly gross margins, operating and net margins

The CFO answered an analyst question on margins for 2025. “Now, if you go into 2025, we still see good contribution from Taurus and Aries SCM modules. But as we make it through the year, the Aries board and chips as well as Leo and Scorpio are a positive for us as well. So, we think Q1 and Q2, we should have a consistent margin profile of around 74%. And as we highlighted, margins will be trending down closer to the longer term model of 70%, but it all depends on the mix of our hardware versus silicon.”

  • Gross profit grew by 167.6% YoY to $104.5 million or 74% of revenue compared to 77.3% in the same period last year.
  • Adjusted gross margin was 74.1% compared to 77.3% in the same period last year. The gross margin was below the management guide of 75% due to the higher mix of hardware revenue. Management guide for the next quarter is 74%.
  • Operating margin was 0.1% compared to 17.9% in the same period last year.
  • Adjusted operating margin was 34.3% compared to 24.4% in the same period last year; it was better than the guide of 32.4%, helped by operating leverage. However, operating expenses were higher than the management expectation as it continued to invest in R&D to support the strong growth and they closed a small acquisition in the quarter that also contributed to higher spending in the quarter.
  • Management Q1 adjusted operating margin guide is 30.5%. The CFO said in the earnings call, “Operating expenses will grow in Q1 is largely driven by three factors, one, continued momentum in expanding our R&D resource pool across headcount and intellectual property. Two, seasonal labor, expense step ups associated with annual performance merit increases and payroll tax resets, and three, a full quarter contribution of the strategic acquisition we executed in the latter part of Q4.”
  • Net income grew by 72.7% YoY to $24.7 million or 17.5% of revenue compared to 28.4% in the same period last year. Adjusted net income grew by 277.8% YoY to $66.5 million or 47.1% compared to 34.9% in the same period last year. The company benefited from a one-time tax benefit of $7.6 million in Q4.
  • The vast difference between GAAP and non-GAAP net income was due to the stock-based compensation of $48.2 million or 34.2% of revenue in Q4. Once SBC naturally levels out, this company has strong enough margins to become GAAP profitable.
Chart of Astera Labs quarterly adjusted oeprating margin

Strong EPS growth

Adjusted EPS grew by 208.3% YoY to $0.37 and 150% YoY to $0.30 after excluding one-time tax benefits, beating estimates by 15.8%, driven by strong operating leverage.

  • Q1 adjusted EPS guide is $0.28 to $0.29, beating estimates by 14%.
  • Analysts expect adjusted EPS to grow 38.5% YoY to $1.16 in 2025 and 52.6% YoY to $1.77 in 2026.
Graph of Astera Labs quarterly adjusted EPS

Cash Flows and Balance Sheet

The company’s cash flows are growing, helped by higher revenues.

  • Q4 operating cash flow grew by 175.7% YoY to $39.7 million or 28.1% of revenue compared to 28.5% in the same period last year.
  • Q4 free cash flow grew by 15.4% YoY to $15.45 million or 17.2% of revenue compared to 26.5% in the same period last year.
  • Cash and marketable securities were $914.3 million compared to $886.8 million at the end of Q3 with no debt.
  • Inventories increased to $43.2 million from $24.4 million at the end of Q3. Management clarified in the earnings call Q&A that they will be maintaining the current levels to support growth and the strong growth in Q3 led to the company draw down significant inventories in Q3, which led to the sequential increase in Q4.

Harlan Sur (Analyst):

Appreciate that. And on the balance sheet, inventories are up almost 80% sequentially in the December quarter. That's an all-time high for the team. I think it’s up 60% versus the average inventory level over the past four quarters. Is the significant step-up reflective of a strong multi-quarter shipment profile across the overall portfolio? Or maybe reflective of a step up in more of your board level solutions? Or is it a kind of a combination of both?

A: Jitendra Mohan (CEO and Co-Founder)

Well, if you remember, in Q3, our revenues were very strong. We were up 47% sequentially. A lot of that strength developed during the quarter. So we drew down our inventories pretty significantly in Q3. Now in Q4, we had time to build back to our more normalized level. So this this level of inventory is actually where we feel much comfortable.

We always want to be in a position to support upsize from our customers and – because most of our programs are sole sourced. But this level reflects the growth in our business now.”

Table of Astera Labs quarterly cash flows, margins and balance sheet

Earnings Call:

Aries PCIe6 Forecasts Potential Delay on Nvidia’s GB200s

Astera stated they are shipping pre-production quantities for its Scorpio P Series and Aries PCIe Gen 6 solutions to maximize GPU throughput. The company stated: “These programs are driving higher dollar content opportunities for Astera Labs on a full rack and full accelerator basis and we expect volume deployments to begin in the second half of this year.”

What this comment implies is both the Scorpio P Series and PCIe Gen 6 will deploy in H2, yet originally, PCIe 6.0 was expected to ramp with support initially offered in the GB200s. Back in March, Astera demo’ed PCIe 6.0 for a wide range of Blackwell products.

There was also indication back in the August call that Gen 6 was confirmed to be used in Blackwell’s GB200, and there were initial shipments: “We have started shipping initial quantities of preproduction orders of our PCIe Gen 6 solution, Aries 6. We ship and support our hyperscaler customers initial program developments that are based on Nvidia's Blackwell platform, including GB200.”

There was further confirmation in the November call that preproduction volumes were shipping: “At the recent 2024 OCP Global Summit, we demonstrated the industry's first PCIe Gen 6 fabric switch, which is currently shipping in preproduction volumes for AI platforms.”

As Nvidia investors, we keep a close eye on these suppliers as they often can flag any issues with unparalleled accuracy. Given we are nose-down on many earnings reports over the past year regarding Nvidia’s AI systems specifically, there’s a notable change in tone for Astera to go from preproduction volumes to now shipping in volume in H2. We’ve noticed this change in other earnings reports, and will detail this more fully for you later today.

To stay on the topic of Astera, the following was discussed in the Q&A section:

“Now, if you look into 2025, we see both contributing growth. The first half of the year will be more predominantly the AI – internal AI accelerator programs. But if you get into the back half of the year, the transition on the merchant GPUs will also be very strong for us. This is where you'll see the custom rack configurations start to deploy and that’s where we see a big dollar increase in our contemporary GPU with Scorpio starting to ramp.”

On one hand this is a positive, but on the other hand, it raises questions as to why merchant GPUs (Nvidia) will be stronger in the back half of the year as this does not match the anticipated timing originally described by Nvidia’s management team with the CEO stating, “Blackwell production is in full steam. I think we're in great shape with respect to the Blackwell ramp at this point.”

There could be an argument made it’s unique to Astera Labs, yet we have seen something similar echoed across a few management teams in the last 4 business days, thus, it’s important to inform investors of this change in tone.

Thomas O'Malley   Barclays Bank

Super helpful. And then my follow-up was just — I think it was Mike's commentary on one of the first questions here on the call. You talked about kind of the year 2025 on the Aries side, talking about how in the first half of the year, you would see more internal AI efforts followed by the second half of the year being more merchant GPU. That comment was a bit surprising to me given we're going through a big product transition now at the large customer of yours. So is there any change in the way that you see the ramp of 2025 versus where you did before? I would have anticipated maybe the merchant GPU being a bit stronger earlier in the year. Just any reason behind those comments that caught me a little off guard.

Michael Tate   CFO

Sure. Yes, so the — first of all, the merchant GPU drives both Scorpio and Aries. So the big incremental piece of the merchant GPUs is the score field content which is all new for us. The designs that we have are complex in nature, they're all new. So the — to get them — to productize and ramp we're looking at that to start off in the back half of the year. Right now, in the first half of the year's preproduction. These are all for custom configuration. So the customization adds a little bit of lead time to the volume rates.

Aries, Taurus Driving the Beat; Scorpio is Ramping Quickly

We covered Astera Lab’s product offerings in our deep dive here. The company offers a few key products that are enabling larger and faster AI clusters. For data center AI accelerators, the company was first to offer PCIe 5 switches and retimers. Growth will likely continue due to next-generation PCIe 6 products with higher average sales prices that will be released in 2025 and ramp in 2026. On PCIe6, Astera will compete against Broadcom but this is less of a concern for merchant GPUs from Nvidia, and meanwhile, Astera has indicated it’s custom silicon programs are healthy.

Increased average sales prices are being driven by CPUs, GPUs and ASICs all moving to the new PCIe 5.0 standards. Arista Labs’ Aries Retimers and PCIe 5.0 components is driving the current growth, and the company is unchallenged in this new generation of PCIe, which came to market for AI accelerators only recently with Nvidia’s H200s.

Scorpio is a new product that is expected to expand the TAM to more than $12B by 2028: Astera Labs is releasing a PCIe Gen 6 fabric switch custom designed for AI data flows with high performance per watt compared to incumbents. Rather than building a large switch, the company built a smaller device that is more efficient for high-speed signals. With Scorpio, Astera Labs is defending its dominance in PCIe5 by doubling the bandwidth at lower power requirements than the 5th generation of PCIe.

Aries products drove the company’s strong growth in 2024, along with the ramp of Taurus products in Q4. Management expects Scorpio product revenue to grow sequentially in Q1 and comprise at least 10% of total revenue for 2025.

Mike Tate, CFO, said in the earnings call, “During the quarter, we enjoyed strong revenue growth of both our Aries and Taurus Smart Cable Module products supporting both scale up and scale out PCIe and Ethernet connectivity for AI rack level configurations. For Leo CXL, and Scorpio Smart Fabric Switches, we shipped pre-production volumes as our customers work to qualify their products for production deployments later in 2025.”

Scorpio is especially promising with one analyst stating it was apparent Scorpio will drive more than 10% of revenue with ASPs being “significantly higher” than other products:

Here is what management explained: “So I think to add some color to that, again, the ASP profile of a retimer class device and a switch device tends to be very different, meaning on the switch side, we do get a significantly higher ASP. And if you look at least for the customized AI racks that are being deployed, we are essentially adding a Scorpio socket to go along with the retimer socket. And given that attach rate configuration, what we also see is that the dollar content per GPU will go up. But in general, the switch is a much bigger TAM out there. And then we get to play both in the front end with the P-Series and the back end. Back end tends to be obviously a lot more fertile in many ways because we have many GPUs talking to each other. And we benefit from having a high ASP device like the X-Series switches and them being deployed in a scale that's much more significant compared to any other products that we have released so far.”

China and Tariffs

We have covered in our editorial that semiconductor stocks face geopolitical risks from tariff threats and a possible US-China trade war in 2025, but they will also face a tougher selling climate in China as the country pushes for more domestic production towards its goal for 70% semiconductor self-sufficiency by the end of 2025. Astera Labs has 15% exposure in China, which is less of a concern for this stock.

Conclusion:

Astera is likely to see volatile price action if a Blackwell delay were to be confirmed. Its important investors have a plan and a strategy since there is an unprecedented amount of capital pointed straight at these particular AI systems (GB200s). Our plan, as it stands today, is to embrace the volatility as part of investing, hedge at times, and keep dry powder on hand with plans to buy lower. Should Blackwell ship on time (although I cannot find a component supplier who has reported yet confirming this), then we will, of course, still participate.

For the H2 vision on Astera, here is the thesis in a nutshell from our last write-up:

The products are enabling faster data speeds with PCIe5 and also increased back-end networking with PCIe6 for large AI clusters, and thus management’s commentary that this is a new growth phase holds weight. We certainly know the future for AI clusters is going to exponentially increase from 10s of thousands for AI clusters to eventually millions of AI accelerators per cluster. This is not only a GPU opportunity but also a custom silicon opportunity, as Astera Labs exclusively offered PCIe5 switches and retimers, and will now compete against Broadcom on PCIe6.

Astera Labs is technically in the lead and Broadcom is the follower in this case; but where it gets even more interesting is with the new product Scorpio. It is expected to increase the TAM by $5.0 billion with a total TAM of over $12B over the next 3 years. If we assume Astera captures 50% of the total TAM, then what we have is a stock that will remain in hypergrowth territory. If you do the math, that’s a potential 12X increase in revenue by 2028 from the $500M run rate Astera has today.

Note: Astera’s fiscal year revenue will be $676M for closer to a 10X increase, should the assumptions stated above play out.

Royston Roche, Equity Analyst at the I/O Fund, contributed to this article.

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AMD Q4 Earnings: Q1 Decline in Data Center, Mgmt Drops AI Guidance

Posted on February 5, 2025June 30, 2026 by io-fund

AMD is seeing weak price action for two reasons. First, the company is guiding for a decline QoQ from Q4 to Q1 across most segments, including the data center. Management also implied H1 of 2025 will be flat compared to H2 of 2024 in the data center. The market’s reaction is saying, “this isn’t exactly Nvidia

Second, management is dropping AI guidance from their commentary. If you’ve been following along, then you’re aware that AMD provides guidance around their expectations for AI-related GPU sales. For example, they stated this year GPUs would “exceed $5 billion” yet we started the year with commentary that GPUs would be in the range of $2 billion.

In response to AMD’s qualitative guidance, analysts would raise estimates, making it impossible for AMD to provide a surprise beat. It was a tough situation, and fairly rare to have analysts always doubling what a management had stated (on a forward basis). Therefore, I don’t disagree with what management is doing, which is creating immediate-term pain for a more equal playing field as they go ship the better architecture in the second half of 2025.

The Street thinks dropping AI guidance is hiding an issue, and communicating that there must be more weakness ahead. Almost-always, when a management team drops a key metric, it means it’s too weak to continue reporting this key metric. I believe it’s the opposite, that AMD is setting up the equal playing field before the MI350 and MI400 architecture arrive, as it’s been generally understood to be the moment when AMD can close the gap with Nvidia on some workloads.

The topic of “some workloads” is where the market will continue to get the AI story wrong, in my opinion. There is not one perfect chip, or AI system, for every single workload. It’s true that to train the trillion+ parameter models coming out of OpenAI that Nvidia’s NVL systems will be needed. However, it’s my contention that as some Big Tech workloads and enterprises seek lighter models at a reduced cost, that AMD’s new GPU architecture (coming in H2 2025) will be a strong choice.

Lastly, AMD is in pole position for edge computing, which they collectively refer to as mobile processors. Similar to data center GPUs, Nvidia will bring its sheer might and compute power as evidenced by Project Digits (the $3,000 supercomputer), yet you will you hear me continue to recognize AMD as an AI PC leader, and for lighter AI workloads at the edge (and those not looking to blow the bank), this is unlikely to change anytime soon as it’s what AMD does best.

Regarding the weak price action, overall, our firm has done quite well on this stock over the years and even recent quarters. It’s understandable if some investors are growing frustrated, yet this is not a stock we hold at a loss. We think we may be identifying a bottom, and this is key to understanding why we decide to continue to hold a stock, at times. Knox can fill you in more on Thursday on what he is seeing. If we think the stock has bottomed, then you’ll likely see us tough this one out as we are overweight Nvidia in both its stock ticker and its suppliers. We are strategically preparing for the days of “cheaper AI” which has been a thesis of ours for years; I’ve stated on Fox recently that Nvidia’s biggest threat is its gluttonous pricing power.

On the topic of custom silicon, AMD hinted its hat is in the ring. As is Nvidia. As is Broadcom, of course. As is Marvell, of course. As are a few startups. Due to the sensitive nature of IP, I foresee a scenario where each hyperscaler uses a different design company as it could expose their IP to go to one source for custom designs. We will track this as we go along.

Data Center Revenue falls short of estimates

AMD beat the revenue and EPS estimates. The company’s Q4 revenue grew by 24.1% YoY to $7.66 billion, beating estimates by 1.8%. The adjusted EPS grew by 41.6% YoY to $1.09, beating the estimates by a modest 0.4%. The revenue guidance for Q1 is $7.1 billion, representing YoY growth of 29.7% at the midpoint and beating the estimates by 1.6%.

The company’s revenue growth was led by record quarterly data center and client segment revenue. Data center revenue grew by 69% YoY and 9% QoQ to $3.86 billion. However, the revenue fell short of estimates of $4.14 billion. AI revenue exceeded $5 billion for the year 2024. Management expects strong AI and data center revenue growth in 2025. However, the earnings call lacked visibility on when AI revenue would ramp up, and guidance was missing in the earnings call.

The company’s launch of MI350 chips in mid-2025 should be a significant catalyst as the management believes that the MI350 chips have the largest generational increase in AI performance they have ever produced.

Revenue

The company’s Q4 revenue grew by 24.1% YoY to $7.66 billion, beating estimates by 1.8%. The company’s revenue growth was led by record quarterly data center and client segment revenue, partially offset by lower embedded revenue.

  • Management revenue guidance for Q1 is $7.1 billion, representing YoY growth of 29.7% at the midpoint and beating the estimates by 1.6%. Management mentioned that the revenue will be down (-7%) sequentially due to seasonality.
  • Analysts expect 28% growth in Q2 and 23.2% growth in Q3.
  • The full-year revenue grew by 13.7% YoY to $25.8 billion.
  • Looking further out, analysts expect revenue to grow 23.9% YoY in 2025 and 23.3% in 2026.
  • Management expects double digit revenue and EPS growth driven by strong AI demand. The second half revenue is expected to higher than the first half due to the MI350 launch in mid-2025.

Segments

Data Center

Data Center revenue grew by 69% YoY and 9% QoQ to a record $3.86 billion. However, the data center revenue fell short of estimates of $4.14 billion and also decelerated from 122% growth in Q3. Management highlighted during the earnings call that 2024 was a significant year for the server business driven by the ramp-up of fifth-gen EYPC Turin and strong double-digit YoY growth in fourth-gen EPYC sales.

Data Center segment operating income was $1.2 billion or 30% of revenue compared to $666 million or 29% a year ago.

During the Q&A, there was a discussion that GPUs could be about $2 billion (an analyst’s words, not management – but they did not deny this number). Yet, the sticking point (as discussed) is that H1 will be flat compared to H2. Here was a response to his question as to whether the $2 billion will grow in H1: “I think you should assume that the first half of 2025 data center segment will be consistent with the second half of '24. And that's true for both businesses on the server side as well as the data center GPU side.”

Client Segment

Client segment revenue grew by 58% YoY and 23% QoQ to $2.31 billion, driven by strong demand for Ryzen desktop and mobile processors. 

Client segment operating income was $446 million or 19% of revenue compared to operating income of $55 million or 4% of revenue a year ago, driven primarily by operating leverage.

Per management, they are not concerned that inventory is building with these knockout numbers. “We don't believe there is some substantial inventory build up. We actually think that what we're seeing is very strong adoption of our new products. So on the desktop side, we saw our highest sell-out in many years, as we went through the holiday season, launching our new gaming CPUs, frankly, they have been constrained in the market, and we've continued shipping very strongly through the month of January as we are catching up with some demand there.”

Gaming Segment

Gaming segment revenue was $563 million, down (-59%) YoY, primarily due to a decrease in semi customer revenue. However, was up 22% sequentially. Gaming segment operating income was $50 million or 9% of revenue compared to $224 million or 16% a year ago.

Looking forward, management believes channel inventories have now normalized and semi-custom sales are expected to return to more historical patterns in 2025.

Embedded Segment

Embedded segment revenue was $923 million down (-13%) YoY and flat sequentially due to the slower recover in the end market. Embedded segment operating income was $362 million or 39% of revenue compared to $461 million or 44% a year ago.

Margins

The company’s margins are improving with higher data center revenue mix. Going into 2025, management expects margins to be better in the second half of the year due to higher contribution from the data center revenue and it was clarified during the earnings call Q&A. The client business expansion will be a headwind in the first half due to the higher concentration of consumer business, which has margins below the corporate average.

Toshiya Hari (Analyst)

“That's great. And then as a quick follow-up, maybe one for Jean. So you're guiding gross margin to 54% in the first quarter. I'm curious what some of the major puts and takes are and those are the things that we should be cognizant of going into Q2 and more importantly, the second half. Given your data center commentary skewed more to the second half, I would expect margins to improve in the second half. But yes, if you can kind of run through the pluses and minuses, that would be really helpful. Thank you.

Jean Hu (CFO)

Yes. Thanks for the question. You are right. Our gross margin is primarily driven by our revenue mix, I think when you look at looking to 2025, Q1 guide, not only data center continued to grow significantly year-over-year. At the same time, client business is also growing year-over-year. So overall, the revenue mix is quite consistent with the Q4. So the gross margin guide is 54%. I think for the first half, if the revenue mix is at this level, we do feel the gross margin will be consistent with 54%. But going into second half, we do believe the data center is our fastest growth driver for the company and that will drive the gross margin to step up in second half.”

  • Q4 gross margin was 51% compared to 47% in the same period last year. Adjusted gross margin improved 300 bps YoY to 54% due to favourable shift of higher mix of data center and client revenues, lower gaming revenue and partially offset by lower embedded revenue. Management guide for Q1 is 54% due to the similar revenue mix as Q4.
  • Operating margin was 11% compared to 6% in the same period last year. Adjusted operating margin was 26% compared to 23% in the same period last year. Operating expenses increased 23% YoY to $2.1 billion as the company invested due to the expected strong growth in AI. Management expects adjusted operating margin to be 24% in the next quarter.
  • Net margin was 6% compared to 11% in the same period last year. Adjusted net margin was 23% compared to 19% in the same period last year.

EPS

The adjusted EPS grew by 41.6% YoY to $1.09, beating the estimates by a modest 0.4%. The strong growth was driven by higher data center revenue.

  • Analysts expect adjusted EPS to grow 52.2% YoY in Q1 and 55.7% in Q2
  • Looking further out, analysts expect adjusted EPS to grow 41.5% YoY to $4.68 in 2025 and 46.3% YoY to $6.85 in 2026.

Cash Flows and Balance Sheet

The company’s cash flows are improving driven by higher profits.

  • Q4 operating cash flow grew by 241% YoY to $1.3 billion or 17% of revenue compared to 6% in the same period last year driven by higher data center revenue.
  • Q4 free cash flow grew by 351% YoY to a record $1.1 billion or 14% of revenue compared to 4% in the same period last year.
  • Cash and short-term investments were $5.13 billion and debt of $1.72 billion compared to $4.54 billion and $1.72 billion at the end of Q3.
  • The company repurchased shares worth $256 million in Q4.

Earnings Call:

Dropping AI Revenue Guidance:

AI revenue exceeded $5 billion for the year 2024. Despite the change in tone and dropping AI guidance, there was one exchange in particular where management reiterated it will grow “strong double digits” in 2025. The details can appear confusing, as on one hand, you have H1 2025 as flat, but on the other hand, you have the growth being “strong double digits.” For anyone who follows AMD closely, it’s assumed they are referring to a strong MI350 launch in what appears to be between May-July time frame (that’s my take on the timing, considering what management has described – typically it would have been August for AMD’s cadence).

This question cut to the chase of what was on everyone’s minds – which is how management is thinking about the impact of MI350s coming given a flat H1 2025 had been discussed.

“Stacy Rasgon

Got it. Thanks. And I guess for my follow-up, maybe to follow on there, do you think your exit rate on GPUs in '25 is higher than your exit rate in '24. Are you willing to commit to that?

Lisa Su 

Absolutely. But yes, of course. It would be hard to grow strong double digits otherwise, right?”

As stated in the opening remarks, the launch of MI350 chips in mid-2025 should be a significant catalyst as the management believes the chips have the largest generational increase in AI performance they have ever produced. There was additional information provided:

“So as it relates to how data center — so the overall data center business will grow strong double digits certainly, both the server product line as well as the data center GPU product line will grow strong double digits. And from the shape of the revenue you would expect that the second half would be stronger than the first half, just given MI350 will be a catalyst for the data center GPU business. But overall, I think we are very pleased with the trajectory of the data center business in both 2024 and then going into full year 2025.”

Q1 Data Center Weakness:

Although Q4 beat on revenue, Q1 is expected to be soft with a 7% sequential decline. According to management, data center will be down just above the (-7%) total revenue sequential decline and in line with the corporate average, client and the embedded business to be down more than the total revenue decline, gaming to be down less than the total revenue decline.

The moment the stock went from being down 3% to being down 8% was when more color was provided that data center would be participating in this decline. Client is expected to be weak from Q4 to Q1, as device sales are always lower in Q1 for all consumer-device related companies (i.e., Apple, etc). Yet, seeing Gaming having stronger QoQ growth than data center is not ideal.

Here was the conversation that caused the stock to see steeper losses:

Q: Aaron Rakers (Analyst)

Yes. Thank you very much. And as a quick follow-up, just thinking about the guidance overall relative to that down 7% sequential I know you mentioned seasonality across the business segments. Are you assuming that you are down sequentially in data center in total in 1Q? And how do I frame that relative to seasonality? Thank you.

A: Lisa Su (CEO)

Yes, sure, Aaron. So let me give you some more color on the Q1 guide. So Q1 guide was down 7% sequentially, as Jean mentioned. And the way that breaks out in each of the segments assume that data center would be down just about that average, so the corporate average. We would expect the client business and the embedded business to be down more than that. Just given where seasonality is for those businesses. And then we would expect gaming business will be down a little less than that. And that's a little atypical from a seasonality standpoint, but we are coming-off of a year when there was a lot of let’s call it, inventory normalization. And now that inventory has normalized, we would expect that, that would be down a little bit less than the corporate average.”

MI350s Shipping Sooner than Expected

As with all underdogs, AMD has only a few chances to make its mark. We’ve been reporting for some time that this would be the CDNA-4 architecture with the MI350s (shipping in volume H2 2025), and if successful, then the CNDA-NEXT with the MI400s will be another opportunity (probably about a year later, H2 2026).

Here is what I’ve stated in the past:

“We will match that timeline and say we hope to see AMD be a leader in the market and in our portfolio by 2027-2028. CDNA 4 architecture is due out in 2025-2026, and is the most likely catalyst that I see today to narrow the product road map with Nvidia.”

This is what management stated about the upcoming architecture: “CDNA 4 will deliver the biggest generational leap in AI performance in our history, with a 35 times increase in AI compute performance compared to CDNA 3. The silicon has come up really well. We were running large-scale LLMs within 24 hours of receiving first silicon and validation work is progressing ahead of schedule.”

The silver lining to the earnings report is that it looks like investors will get a guide that includes some of the MI350s in the next earnings report as AMD is moving up their shipping expectations. Previously, this would have been about two quarters out. From Lisa Su: “Based on early silicon progress and the strong customer interest in the MI350 series, we now plan to sample lead customers this quarter and are on track to accelerate production shipments to mid-year.”

There were additional comments in the Q&A on this timing:

“And then the big news is on the MI350 series. So we had previously stated that we thought we would launch that in the second half of the year. And frankly, that bring-up has come up better than we expected, and there is very strong customer demand for that. So we are actually going to pull that production ramp into the middle of the year, which improves our relative competitiveness.”

By relative competitiveness, what AMD’s goal is put it into plain words, is that while Blackwell is greatly supply constrained due to the massive NVL systems, and already sold-out next year, AMD will aim to release a competitive architecture that serves the outsized demand for the B200s.

Quick Note on Custom Silicon:

There are many competitors on custom silicon, and AMD made it clear in the earnings call that they are one of them:

“And I just want to reiterate on the ASIC side, look, I think ASICs are a part of the solution, but there — I want to remind everyone, they are also a very strong part of the AMD sort of toolbox.

So we've done semi-custom solutions for a long-time. We are very involved in a number of ASIC discussions with our customers as well. And what they like to do is, they'd like to take our baseline IP and really innovate on top of that. And that's what I think differentiates our capability is that we do have all of the building blocks of CPUs, GPUs, as well as all of the networking technologies that you would need to put the solutions together.”

Conclusion:

What will get us to close our position? Price, first and foremost – which is why we sizably trimmed the position a few months ago. From what I’m hearing on the technicals side, price is doing what was expected, but you will know if this changes via our real-time trade alerts. Secondly, if the MI350s are too weak to take the overflow in capex that Blackwell supply cannot fulfill. If consumer and tariffs create more impact than currently priced in. We always have a plan.

With that said, I will be watching with keen interest the launch of the MI350s. If this release benchmarks “close enough” to the B200s then AMD investors will be rewarded. If the benchmarks are too far apart, the proverbial David (Lisa Su and team) will have missed a critical window for striking with her slingshot. Despite what benchmarks say, we only have to watch how Big Tech capex funnels to truly know how AI accelerators are being received; this is a proxy and substantial (unprecedented) flow of capital that overwhelmingly matters more than what analysts, industry experts, or even management teams say or predict. Big Tech companies are at the forefront and they will make the ultimate decision.

Right now, that capex is pointed directly at Nvidia, which was the basis of our Q1 webinar. We will see come late Spring/early Summer if AMD can pry some of the roughly $300 billion loose. The market is giving up, but that sometimes becomes precisely the moment when a stock bottoms.

Before I conclude, keep an eye on the Client segment as it’s abundantly clear who is in the lead with AI PCs. Nvidia will do quite well here too, but AMD’s numbers are communicating something very important about their lead in edge AI.

Royston Roche, Equity Analyst for the I/O Fund, contributed to this analysis.

Please note: The I/O Fund conducts research and draws conclusions for the company’s portfolio. We then share that information with our readers and offer real-time trade notifications. This is not a guarantee of a stock’s performance and it is not financial advice. Please consult your personal financial advisor before buying any stock in the companies mentioned in this analysis. Beth Kindig and the I/O Fund own shares in AMD at the time of writing and may own stocks pictured in the charts.

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AMD Q4 Earnings Preview: The Bottom May Be Near

Posted on February 4, 2025June 30, 2026 by io-fund

AMD reports after the bell tomorrow. Analysts expect revenue to grow 22% YoY to $7.53 billion and adjusted EPS to grow 41.1% YoY to $1.09. The company’s data center and client segments have performed well in Q3, with the Data Center segment growing 122% and the Client segment growing by YoY. The gaming segment and embedded segments have been headwinds, yet in the recent Barclays Conference, management said that “they (headwinds) are behind us when we look ahead of 2025.”

Management’s AI revenue guide for 2024 is to exceed $5 billion, a $500 million increase announced during Q3 results. Investors will be looking for the 2025 AI revenue guide and commentary in the earnings call. The current consensus estimates for 2025 is about $9.5 billion in AI revenue.

AMD stock underperformed YTD till the news of DeepSeek came in, as analysts had reduced estimates due to the expected lukewarm response for the new MI325 chips. However, AMD fared better during the last Monday’s sell-off than other semiconductors. We’ve discussed key price levels in the Advanced webinars as of late, and right now, AMD is holding the support laid out months ago.

AMD is at the forefront of integrating the DeepSeek-V3 model on Instinct MI300X GPUs and is optimized for AI inferencing, which is positive for the stock. It also supports our thesis that Nvidia owns training, while AMD will compete on inference by lowering costs for inference, specifically. Although DeepSeek is not a death knell for Nvidia, it foreshadows that eventually cost will be at the forefront of AI development and Nvidia’s pricing power will not sustain forever.

AMD’s management has been especially clear that the MI350 chips based on new CDNA-4 architecture is the release they are most excited about with a 35X increase in performance compared to CDNA-3. Again, AMD’s thesis is not about training models, it’s about running them at the edge where cost combined with speed will take the reins as opposed to Nvidia’s big compute muscles in the data center. Nvidia will compete on inference too, but it’ll be this market that matters most for AMD’s AI story.

The PC market is mired in concerns over tariffs, as the idea is PCs that source parts in China will need to pass the cost of tariffs onto consumers. AMD’s stock price has clearly been affected by these concerns. With that said, AMD is currently the leading AI PC company. Consider that last quarter, the Zen 5 Ryzen processors drove Client revenue up 29% YoY and up 26% QoQ to $1.88 billion while competitor Intel was flat. However, Nvidia’s Project Digits and RTX 5090 GPU laptops are set to defy all odds with an order of magnitude higher TOPS. Therefore, it comes down to costs and how much performance is needed (as will be the ongoing theme between these two competitors).

Similar to last quarter (and last half of the year), industry analysts are showing a decline in the mid to high single digits QoQ for PC data, yet MoM for December was stronger than expected due to seasonality in both the United States and Chinese New Year.

Our conclusion to the post-earnings last quarter called out tariffs as a primary reason for the weak price action. It’s not clear if the tariff story is already priced into AMD’s stock price, but it could already be priced in, so keep an eye out for that outcome. Notably, the question of when a stock bottoms is not an easy one to answer. However, we’ve been tracking this company quite closely and it’s our hope the stock has already bottomed or will bottom very soon. The price has acted accordingly by holding support in the $110 to $114 range. Therefore, how low is too low for AMD’s stock price, given 22% of its revenue is already from AI? This is a separate question than when will AMD effectively compete with Nvidia, on a path to 10% or more of the GPU market? The answer is that often price will bottom first.

Revenue

Management provided a soft Q4 revenue guide of $7.5 billion, representing a YoY growth of 21.6% at the midpoint due to headwinds in gaming and embedded segments. However, management had hinted during the recent Barclays Conference that these headwinds are now behind when we look into 2025.

  • Q3 revenue grew by 17.6% YoY to $6.82 billion. Data center drove Q3’s growth, while Client revenue rebounded significantly, offsetting continued weakness in gaming and embedded.
  • Analysts expect Q4 revenue to grow 22% YoY to $7.53 billion and accelerate to 28.2% and 28.6% in the subsequent two quarters. Analyst estimates have come down after the company’s soft guidance and also due to the expected lukewarm response for the MI325 chips.
  • Looking further out, revenue growth will accelerate from the expected 13.1% growth in 2024 to 25.6% growth to $32.2 billion in 2025 and 23.4% growth in 2026.

Segments

The company’s Data Center and Client segments showed strong growth in Q3. While Gaming and Embedded segments presented headwinds, management indicated at the recent Barclays Conference that these challenges are expected to be resolved as the company looks toward 2025.

Data Center

Q3 Data Center revenue grew by 122% YoY and 25% QoQ to $3.55 billion, driven by strong demand for AMD Instinct GPUs and EPYC server CPUs. Zen 5 Turin was launched in October 2024 and will help support data center sales in 2025. The MI325X chips were launched in October with increased memory capacity and bandwidth, with AMD stating it offers 20% higher inferencing than the H200.

Regarding the MI300 AI accelerators, Meta and Microsoft are large customers due to TCO advantages (total cost of ownership). Management also offered statements about RocM’s progress, stating that foundational support is growing and performance gains are improving by 2.4X.

The company’s launch of MI350 chips in the second half of 2025 should be a significant catalyst as the management believes that the chips have the largest generational increase in AI performance, they have ever produced. Management expects sequential growth in Data Center revenue in Q4 driven by the expected strong demand for Instinct, EPYC, and Ryzen processors.

Data Center operating margin improved to 29% compared to 19% in the same period last year.

Client Segment

Client segment revenue grew by 29% YoY and 26% QoQ to $1.88 billion in Q3, driven by strong demand for the Zen 5 Ryzen processors. Management expects client segment revenue to grow sequentially in Q4.

The PC market has been sluggish. AMD could fare better in the coming quarters due to its strong line of AI PCs. AMD said its chips will be used by Dell for the first time in PCs sold to businesses. AMD also unveiled its new Ryzen AI Max chips, offering up to 90% faster performance vs predecessors, delivering the highest level of performance available in premium thin and light notebooks. Further, it announced a new 9000 series of desktop computer processors that should also help to propel the revenue in 2025.

The client segment operating margin improved to 15% in Q3 from 10% in the same period last year.

The PC market has been sluggish. AMD could fare better in the coming quarters due to its strong line of AI PCs. Citi analyst said that the December notebook shipments increased 8% MoM due to a pull in demand ahead of Chinese New Year and potential tariffs. Notebook shipments were down (-7%) QoQ and were better than the company’s estimates of (-8%) decline, though below the normal season gain of 2%. Citi expects notebook shipments to decrease (-10%) sequentially in Q1, above the normal (-14%) decline.

Gaming

Gaming revenue declined by (-69%) YoY and (-29%) QoQ to $462 million in Q3 as semi-custom sales declined due to reduced inventory by Microsoft and Sony. Management expects modest sequential growth in Q4.

Operating margin declined to 2% compared to 14% in the same period last year.

Embedded

Embedded revenue declined by (-25%) YoY and up 8% QoQ to $927 million. Management expects modest sequential growth in Q4. Operating margin declined to 40% compared to 49% in the same period last year.

AI Revenue

Management provided an AI revenue guide for 2024 that is to exceed $5 billion, a $500 million increase announced during Q3 results. Investors will be looking for the 2025 AI revenue guide and commentary in the earnings call. The current consensus estimate for 2025 is about $9.5 billion. Analysts have reduced estimates due to the expected lukewarm response for the new MI325 chips.

Wolfe Research estimates data center GPU revenue in the range of $1.5 billion to $2.0 billion for 4Q and $7 billion for CY2025, lower than the prior estimate of $10.8 billion. For Q1 2025 they estimate $1.75 billion and flat quarterly growth for the rest of the year. KeyBanc analyst also trims estimates and expects $10 billion revenue in 2025. Loop Capital has reduced estimates from $10 billion to $8 billion. HSBC has reduced to $8.1 billion from $12.3 billion. Management AI commentary is very crucial to soothe the markets, given that MI350 chips are expected to be released in the second half of 2025.

In December, AMD invested in Vultr, an enterprise Cloud infrastructure company and a competitor of DigitalOcean. Vultr uses AMD’s graphic processing units in its data centers.

Margins

As stated in the pre-earnings writeup, margins are an area where AMD and Nvidia offer quite a contrast. AMD’s data center margin is 29% with a company operating margin of 11% compared to Nvidia’s 60%.  The guide is for flat margins next quarter. The CFO was encouraging in terms of what to expect for 2025: “When we scale the company next year, you can see we're going to benefit from economies of scale to continue to drive our operational efficiency to improve gross margin.”

The company’s margins are improving with a higher mix of data center revenue and operational efficiencies. The company also announced in November that they are planning to reduce about 4% of its workforce to focus on better growth opportunities.

Margins are expected to improve in 2025. The growth in data center revenue is the largest driver for margin improvement, including both CPU and GPU business and the expansion of the enterprise server business also has a tailwind on the gross margins. The gradual improvement of the Embedded business will also improve margins. On the other hand, the client business expansion will be a headwind due to the higher concentration of consumer business, which has margins below the corporate average.

  • Q3 gross margin was 50% compared to 47% in the same period last year, driven by strong growth in Data Center revenue.
  • Adjusted gross margin was 54% compared to 51% in the same period last year. Management guide for Q4 is 54% compared to 51% in the same period last year.
  • The adjusted operating margin also improved to 25% compared to 22% in the same period last year, driven by operating leverage. Management guide for Q4 is 27% compared to 23% in the same period last year.
  • Q3 net income was $771 million or 11% of revenue compared to $299 million or 5% of revenue in the same period last year. Adjusted net income was $1.50 billion or 22% of revenue compared to $1.14 billion or 20% of revenue in the same period last year.

EPS

The company’s Q3 adjusted EPS grew by 31% YoY and 33% QoQ to $0.92, which was helped by higher data center revenue. Analysts expect strong growth in the coming quarters. However, estimates have been coming down as analysts are cautious due to the expected lukewarm response for MI325 chips.

  • Analysts expect adjusted EPS to grow 41.1% YoY to $1.09 in Q4 and accelerate to 53.3% growth to $0.95 for Q1.
  • Looking further out, analysts expect adjusted EPS to grow 49.8% YoY to $4.98 in 2025, accelerating from the expected 25.4% growth in 2024. For 2026, analysts expect adjusted EPS to grow 39.1% YoY to $6.92.

Cash Flows and Balance Sheet

Cash flows are improving and have room for further improvement due to the expected better bottom line in 2025.

  • Q3 operating cash flow was $628 million or 9% of revenue compared to 7% of revenue in the same period last year.
  • Q3 free cash flow was $496 million or 7% of revenue and 9% excluding certain nonrecurring payments compared to 5% in the same period last year.
  • The company had cash and short-term investments of $4.54 billion and debt of $1.72 billion compared to $5.34 billion and $1.72 billion in the same period last year. The company paid $548 million for the previously announced acquisition of Silo AI and repurchased shares worth $250 million in Q3.

Valuation

The company is trading at a P/E ratio of 105 and a forward P/E ratio of 23.5.

P/S ratio is 7.8 and a forward P/S ratio of 5.9 compared to the five-year average of 8.9.

Conclusion

If I were to use my crystal ball, I think AMD’s stock price will bottom well before the cloudy (murky) narrative from the Street clears. The company has 22% in GPU revenue today, and if analyst estimates are correct, then the company will end the year with 30% in GPU revenue. This does not include AI revenue from AI PC sales, which are growing steadily QoQ, and the $9.5 billion analyst estimates on AI don’t include any upward surprise impact from AMD’s upcoming new architecture for H2 2025. The new architecture will undoubtedly be aimed at speeding up real-time throughput as cheaply as possible as AMD gathers its strength against a far more capable competitor than Intel ever was. Yet, cheap is the keyword here, as AMD’s margins would likely expand based off its pricing, where Nvidia’s could contract when the inference market truly takes off (this is further off once inference overtakes the training market). This stuff is nuanced for AI investors, so be prepared to hear a lot more details from the I/O Fund as we go along.

Royston Roche, Equity Analyst at the I/O Fund, contributed to this article.

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DeepSeek Creates Buying Opportunity for Nvidia Stock

Posted on January 31, 2025June 30, 2026 by io-fund
DeepSeek Creates Buying Opportunity for Nvidia Stock

DeepSeek caused a deep rout in AI stocks earlier this week with Nvidia erasing more than $600 billion in value; the biggest one-day loss of any company in history. The R&D company out of China stated the model cost $6 million to train, which sent the market into a panic as this is pennies to the dollar compared to what Big Tech is spending. The jerk-reaction readthrough was that, in the blink of an eye, DeepSeek had fundamentally rewritten the AI capex story. 

The battle between the United States and China on large language models (LLMs) following DeepSeek’s challenge to OpenAI has been called AI’s Sputnik moment. The most important takeaway for investors about this analogy is that Sputnik spurred massive investments. It was not the final destination, rather, it was the beginning of a multi-decade space race. The Sputnik satellite cost $15 to $20 million or $33 million with cost-adjusted inflation, yet the United States would spend an estimated $1 trillion over a sixty year period in response.

The United States takes it quite seriously to stay in the lead, and AI will spur an arms race unlike anything the world has seen before. Consider that it took sixty years for the government to spend $1 trillion (inflation adjusted) on the space race, yet in one sweeping piece of legislation, the United States will spend $500 billion in 5 years on AI infrastructure, up from $70 billion being spent in 2024 alone.

Remember, it was the market’s so-called “efficiency” that caused Nvidia’s stock to drop 60% from a gaming-related miss following rumors that Ethereum’s merge to Proof-of-Stake (PoS) would be the death knell for the stock. This was the very moment the powerful AI GPUs called Hopper were shipping, equipped with a Transformer Engine that would enable self-learning models, and change the world as we know it.

Tech is defined by disruption, by thousands of product announcements, and by leagues of competitors. It can be a noisy and costly sector when investors get whiplashed by the news of the day. My firm has an enviable track record on Nvidia – including speaking out during staggering selloffs or supply chain rumors. This includes also telling you when we are not buying, or when a stock is frothy, such as when Nvidia was trading in the $140s. We also go to great lengths to tell you when we plan to buy again. You will find dozens (perhaps hundreds) of articles on DeepSeek at this point; yet you will be hard pressed to find one other person helping investors navigate Nvidia’s stock at this granular level.

Below, I provide evidence that DeepSeek is notnot the black swan that killed Nvidia overnight – in fact, driving down the costs of AI development has always been the plan — and will ultimately boost Nvidia’s sales in the long run as AI will leave the data center, and move on-premise for enterprises and on-device for consumers.

I also touch base on what investors should keep an eye on price-wiseprice-wise moving forward for the GPU juggernaut.

DeepSeek’s DualPipe Algorithm

DeepSeek’s DualPipe Algorithm optimized pipeline parallelism, which essentially reduces inefficiencies in how GPU nodes communicate and how mixture of experts (MoE) is leveraged. MoE refers to distributing a computational load across “multiple experts” (or neural networks) to train across thousands of GPUs using what is called model and pipeline parallelism. This enables more compute-efficient training yet the parameters still need to be loaded in VRAM, so the memory requirements remain high.

Tom’s Hardware wrote an article about this a month ago, with an usually prescient title: “Chinese AI company says breakthroughs enabled creating a leading-edge AI model with 11X less compute — DeepSeek's optimizations could highlight limits of US sanctions.” The article stated: “The DualPipe algorithm minimized training bottlenecks, particularly for the cross-node expert parallelism required by the MoE architecture, and this optimization allowed the cluster to process 14.8 trillion tokens during pre-training with near-zero communication overhead.”

By allowing the routing of tokens to experts and the aggregation of results to be handled in parallel through code called PTX (Parallel Thread Execution), DualPipe helped to drive down costs. The software essentially optimized the hardware. The company also created a 4-node maximum to limit nodes and reduce traffic, allowing for a more efficient communication framework.

MoE models like DeepSeek’s can provide numerous benefits, and this is what DeepSeek is showing – an ability to train larger models at a lower cost with much faster pre-training, faster inference, and an ability to deliver decreased first-token latency. However, MoE also can require higher VRAM to store all experts simultaneously and can face challenges in fine-tuning.

Mixed Point Precision and Multi-Head Latent Attention Lowers Memory Usage

DeepSeek’s success is also found in lowering memory usage with multi-head latent attention that lowered memory usage to 5% to 13%. MLA ultimately reduces memory requirements during inference by processing long sequences of text. As pointed out by ML Engineer Zain ul Abideen, “MLA achieves superior performance than MHA, as well as significantly reduces KV-cache boosting inference efficiency.”

It has been estimated that HBM3e’s component costs in Hopper GPUs could be as much as 25% higher than HBM3-equipped GPUs, and it’s expected HBM4 will add more costs due to the complexities of delivering faster data rates. 

Memory is an expensive component and Hopper is known for its limited memory capacity at 80GB of HBM3e memory versus Blackwell’s 192GB of HBM3e (nearly 2.5X the memory in the upcoming release). Therefore, reducing memory usage is one path to optimizing Hopper GPUs.

DeepSeek’s success also stemmed from its pioneering approach to model architecture. The company introduced a novel MLA (multi-head latent attention) method that lowers memory usage to just 5%–13% of what the more common MHA architecture consumes. 

Nvidia’s hardware excellence stands out in the Hopper generation of GPUs with the Transformer Engine. Two years ago, Hopper’s transformer engine brought about Chat-GPT’s big moment as the OpenAI model eliminated the need to find patterns between elements mathematically, and this opens up which datasets can be used and how quickly.

The H100s also leverage the transformer engine for mixed precision, such as FP8, FP16 or FP32, depending on the workload. Nvidia architected the ability to switch between floating precision points in order to require less memory usage. Here is what Nvidia states:

“There are numerous benefits to using numerical formats with lower precision than 32-bit floating point. First, they require less memory, enabling the training and deployment of larger neural networks. Second, they require less memory bandwidth which speeds up data transfer operations. Third, math operations run much faster in reduced precision, especially on GPUs with Tensor Core support for that precision. Mixed precision training achieves all these benefits while ensuring that no task-specific accuracy is lost compared to full precision training. It does so by identifying the steps that require full precision and using 32-bit floating point for only those steps while using 16-bit floating point everywhere else.”

DeepSeek says that FP8 allowed it to “achieve both accelerated training and reduced GPU memory usage,” as it validated FP8’s usage for training large scale models for a fraction of the cost.  A majority of the “most compute-density operations are conducted in FP8, while a few key operations are strategically maintained in their original data formats,” such as those that require higher precision due to sensitivity reasons.

Though lower-precision training has often been “limited by the presence of outliers in activations, weights, and gradients,” and tests have shown that FP8 training was prone to higher instability and more frequent loss spikes, it is now emerging as a solution for efficient training due to hardware advancements (i.e., Hopper bringing powerful FP8 support, Blackwell bringing FP4).

DeepSeek also provided recommendations for future chips to accommodate low-precision training and replicate this at scale, suggesting chip designs should “increase accumulation precision in Tensor Cores to support full-precision accumulation, or select an appropriate accumulation bit-width according to the accuracy requirements of training and inference algorithms.”

This is what Blackwell was designed to address, with new precisions in Tensor Cores, FP4 precision, increased SM count, and more CUDA cores versus the Hopper. Blackwell also packs 208 billion transistors to provide up to 20 petaflops of FP4, compared to the H100’s 4 petaflops of FP8. The B200 features a second-generation transformer engine supporting 4-bit floating point (FP4), with the goal of doubling the performance and size of models the memory can support while maintaining accuracy.

To simply recreate DeepSeek’s training efficiencies and develop large-scale models, Hopper GPUs are a requirement due to support for FP8, with Blackwell bringing FP4 to power real-time inference and supercharged training for trillion parameter models.

Understanding the nuances of Nvidia’s hardware is the reason that I first called out Nvidia’s AI GPU thesis and CUDA moat in late 2018, and in 2019, Volta’s AI capabilities prompted me to say on my premium stock research site: “I believe Nvidia will be one of the world’s most valuable companies by 2030.” This has led to potential gains of over 4,000% for our free readers.AI GPU thesis and CUDA moat in late 2018, and in 2019, Volta’s AI capabilities prompted me to say on my premium stock research site: “I believe Nvidia will be one of the world’s most valuable companies by 2030.” This has led to potential gains of over 4,000% for our free readers.

Blackwell is Not Hopper

This may seem like a moment where AI software is triumphant, yet we are at the end of the Hopper generation with the H100s (and the more restricted H800) GPUs being available for two years now. Two years is eternity in the AI arms race, and the fact Hopper is reaching a point of peak optimization at the very moment that Blackwell is shipping is not a shocking new revelation — rather, it’s the point of keeping a fast-paced product road map. Per Nvidia’s Computex keynote, from Pascal to Blackwell, their AI systems will deliver “1,000 times increase in AI compute,” while simultaneously decreasing the “energy per token by 45,000X.

Therefore, the market is a bit confused to think the 11X increase in compute from software optimizations is going to catch Nvidia off guard. Below are the stated differences between the H100 and GB200 NVL72 systems on Mixture of Experts (MoE) real-time throughput and training speeds.

Nvidia H100 vs. GB200 NVL72 comparison on MoE inference throughput and training speeds, based on Nvidia’s 1,000X AI compute increase claim

DeepSeek acquiesced the limitations they faced in deploying the model is “expected to be naturally addressed with the development of more advanced hardware.” Note, they are not saying with the development of more advanced software.

I made the point nearly a year ago that Nvidia is competing with Nvidia with its one-year product release road map stating: “The product road map is the single most important thing investors should be focused on. A good chunk of the AI accelerator story is understood at this point. What is not understood is how aggressive Nvidia is becoming by speeding up to a one-year release cycle for its next generation of GPUs instead of a two-year release cycleThe product road map is the single most important thing investors should be focused on. A good chunk of the AI accelerator story is understood at this point. What is not understood is how aggressive Nvidia is becoming by speeding up to a one-year release cycle for its next generation of GPUs instead of a two-year release cycle."

In addition, by open sourcing the model, there will be more developers who can build new AI capabilities. As stated in a Predibase analysis, there were 500 derivative models of DeepSeek created in a few days’ time.

Nvidia has been early to this eventual outcome with the launch of Project Digits, a $3,000 supercomputer that can run 200B-parameter models. By releasing powerful personal computers, Nvidia seeks the proliferation of its GPUs – much like Apple’s iPhone — whereas companies like OpenAI are the ones most challenged by an open source LLM that drives down input token and output token costs that are 27X less expensive than OpenAI’s o1 model.

Blackwell Inches United States Toward General Artificial Intelligence (AGI)

The reason that software has not officially begun to commoditize hardware, and we could be as far as 5-10 years away from this moment, is because AI development is incredibly nascent. Blackwell and future generations of GPUs are a necessity for AI development to inch closer to the start of general artificial intelligence (AGI).

There have been discussions questioning if it is possible to reach AGI with reinforcement learning: “artificial general intelligence can be achieved if an agent tries to maximize a reward in a complex environment because the complexity of the environment will force the agent to learn complex abilities like; social intelligence, language, etc.”

Reinforcement learning is an ML method where an agent or model learns to make decisions through interactions in its environment, via rewards or punishments. Agents will interact with the environment, receive a positive or negative reward, and adjust its decisions/actions based on the feedback it has received.

AGI refers to the creation of a machine that is capable of performing intellectual tasks on par with humans, and have the ability to understand, learn and apply knowledge to a wide range of domains. Both RL and AGI involve learning from interactions with the environment, though RL is typically more focused on specific tasks or environments where AGI aims to be ‘all-encompassing.’

If software efficiencies from China are relatable to Sputnik, then the arrival of AGI will be the moment we land on the moon. AGI requires an order of magnitude larger models – minimum 1 trillion, up to 10 trillion or more. Reinforcement learning is certainly a step in the right direction, yet trillion+ parameter models are inevitable – and it’ll require Nvidia and other AI accelerator design companies to get there.

A benchmark performance comparison of DeepSeek V3 and its counterparts, including GPT-4o, Claude 3.5, and LLaMA 3, across reasoning, mathematics, and coding tasks.

Source: DeepSeek R-1 Pictured Above: Nvidia Stock saw its market cap shed $600 billion in one day  following DeepSeek’s release with benchmarks surpassing OpenAI on its performance and reasoning abilities. DeepSeek R-1 Pictured Above: Nvidia Stock saw its market cap shed $600 billion in one day  following DeepSeek’s release with benchmarks surpassing OpenAI on its performance and reasoning abilities. 

DeepSeek is Cheap … Or is it?

DeepSeek has stated V3 was trained on 14.8 trillion tokens in pre-training, with each 1 trillion tokens taking 180K H800 GPU hours (3.7 days) on its 2,048 H800 cluster. Compare this to Meta’s 405 billion parameter Llama 3.1 model, which was trained in 54 days (30.8M GPU hours) on a 16,384 H100 GPU cluster, estimated to cost ~$80 million at a $2.6/hour rental price.

This accounted for a majority of the costs at $5.328 million, assuming a $2/hour rental price for the H800s (this is about in-line with long-term contract rates at Lambda for the H100, but ~20% lower than short-term costs from other startup cloud providers).

The estimated $6 million cost for DeepSeek would also be pennies on the dollar compared to estimated training costs for OpenAI’s GPT-4 and Alphabet’s Gemini Ultra.

Beth Kindig’s tweet on rising LLM training costs, estimating OpenAI’s GPT-4 at $78M and Google’s Gemini at $191M.
A cost comparison of DeepSeek V3 training vs. LLaMA 3.1, GPT-4, and Gemini Ultra, highlighting efficiency in GPU hours, token training, and total expenses.

Source: DeepSeek

While the training costs were estimated utilizing rental prices (and up for debate), what’s important to note is that the $5.6 million cost only excluded “costs associated with prior research and ablation experiments on architectures, algorithms, or data.”

Democratization of AI Helps Nvidia

Nvidia’s goal is to not only sell GPUs to the fortresses of Big Tech. Rather, all tech companies seek large addressable markets and the democratization of AI will assist Nvidia in reaching worldwide AI device ubiquity.

In the meantime, Blackwell is sold out. Microsoft stated this week that they are still supply constrained in the cloud, and Azure needs more supply to grow. Meta doubled down on its planned capex for 2025, and signaled a willingness to spend “hundreds of billions” towards AI infrastructure in the long run.

In the medium term, Nvidia will allocate supply to enterprises and edge AI, as lower costs will facilitate enterprise AI and edge computing. The market grew concerned that there would not be ROI on these large AI investments, and on the other hand, the market now is panicking when costs are lowered to the point where ROI can be achieved.

This has always been Nvidia’s goal, with CEO Jensen Huang and other executives declaring at high profile stages such as CES and GTC that the cost of computing will go down with each generation of GPUs. At GTC 2024, Huang explained that Nvidia “accelerated algorithms so quickly that the marginal cost of computing has declined so tremendously over the last decade that it enabled generative AI to emerge. He further explained that reducing the cost of computing and accelerating computing is what Nvidia “does for a living at its core,” and that the “pricing that we create always starts from TCO.”

Nvidia VP Ian Buck corroborated this at BofA GTC Conference in June 2024: “The opportunity here is to help [customers] get the maximum performance through a fixed megawatt data center and at the best possible cost and optimized for cost.”

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What to Monitor for Nvidia’s Earnings Report

There seems to be no end to the amount of Blackwell supply rumors with yet another one circulated in January 2025. According to Taiwan Semiconductor’s management team, “cut the order, that won’t happen. Actually [it will] continue to increase.”

Here are the additional points that cause us to believe Blackwell revenue will show up soon enough:

1) Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang at CES reconfirmed that Blackwell is in full production, adding that “every single cloud service provider now has systems up and running."

2) CFO Colette Kress in Q3’s earnings: “Blackwell demand is staggering and we are racing to scale supply to meet the incredible demand customers are placing on us. Customers are gearing up to deploy Blackwell at scale.”

3) CFO Colette Kress in Q3: “While demand is greatly exceeding supply, we are on track to exceed our previous Blackwell revenue estimate of several billion dollars as our visibility into supply continues to increase.”

4) CFO Colette Kress at UBS’ Global Technology Conference: “What we see in terms of our Blackwell, which will be here this quarter is also probably a supply constraint that is going to take us well into our next fiscal year for several quarters from now. So, no, we don't see a slowdown. We continue to see tremendous demand and interest, particularly for our new architecture that's coming out.” UBS Analyst Tim Arcuri added, “you are actually shipping more Blackwell than you thought you would three months ago.”

5) CFO Colette Kress at CES: “We are able to increase our demand and increase our revenue each quarter as well. … When we think about the demand that is in front of us, it is absolutely a growth year.”

Big Tech’s Capex

Two weeks ago, my firm covered how Big Tech capex (AI spending) came in significantly above expectations in 2024, and is on track to repeat that in 2025. To recap, analysts had initially estimated capex of ~$200 billion for Big Tech in 2024, an increase of ~30% YoY. However, our latest checks suggest that Big Tech is on track to spend at least $236 billion in capex in 2024, 18% higher than analyst estimates and representing YoY growth of more than 52%.

For 2025, Big Tech is on track to spend $300 billion or more on capex, based on initial commitments from Microsoft and Meta totaling at least $140 billion combined. This is already tracking ~7% higher than ~$280 billion estimated by analysts, with Microsoft’s $80 billion commitment 40% higher than estimated and Meta’s $60-65 billion more than 18% higher than estimated.

DeepSeek has highlighted one major tailwind that has been overlooked – if AI models can now be trained quicker and cheaper, it’s likely to catalyze demand for GPU instances in the cloud from leading providers, as GPUs can be rented much faster than setting up new infrastructure. In order to meet elevated demand, hyperscalers will need to continue purchasing, or even accelerate purchasing, Nvidia’s GPUs in order to prevent chip constraints from impeding revenue growth.

Analyst Revisions for Nvidia’s Stock Remain Unchanged

In June 2024, in the analysis Here's Why Nvidia Stock Will Reach $10 Trillion Market Cap By 2030, I discussed the importance of intra-quarter analyst revisions supporting Nvidia’s massive run, as data center revenue continued to blow past expectations.

Seen below, Nvidia’s revenue for FY25 was estimated at $120 billion in June, being revised 31.5% higher over the six months prior. In dollar terms, that represented a nearly $29 billion increase from $91.3 billion. For FY26, revenue was estimated at $157.5 billion in June, a 44.8% increase from $108.8 billion, a nearly $50 billion increase in six months.

Analyst revisions for Nvidia stock remain unchanged, with FY25 revenue estimates rising 31.5% and FY26 increasing 44.8%, reflecting strong data center growth.

Compare that to today:

Nvidia’s FY25 revenue revised up by 7.6% to $129.2 billion, with FY26 showing a 20% increase to $196.5 billion, reflecting strong growth with no intra-quarter revenue hiccups.

FY25 revisions are up just 7.6% (or $9 billion) since July to $129.2 billion as the fiscal year comes to a close, but FY26 revenue is 20% higher to $196.5 billion. That’s another $39.5 billion (or over a full quarter at the current run rate) that has been added in the past seven months.

Nvidia FY26 Q4 revenue revised down slightly by 1.3% amidst Blackwell rumors, with a marginal increase in Q4 FY26 estimates due to DeepSeek V3 release, still showing significant growth.

Opinions aside, intra-quarter revisions will be where you will first see any material hiccups or impacts on revenue. FY26 quarterly revisions have come down slightly over the past month, at -1.3% lower for Q4. So far, there has been no impact from DeepSeek’s V3 release – in fact, estimates inched marginally higher on January 28, with Q4 FY26 revenue rising from $55.49 billion to $55.51 billion.

The bigger picture – revenue is still 14% to 24% higher than it was six months ago. At this scale, that’s $6 to $10-billion-plus higher.

Where Nvidia’s Stock Price Goes Next

Let’s talk price targets.

In the write-up “Where I Plan to Buy Nvidia Stock Next” we stated that Nvidia still needs, at least, one more push higher to complete the current uptrend. This would make the volatility that started in June of 2024 a correction within a larger uptrend.

We still believe that NVDA’s uptrend is not over. We stand by the two scenarios outlined in the last report; both are still in play.

“Blue – The final 5th wave is playing out as an ending diagonal pattern, which is common for 5th waves. This type of pattern is a 5 wave pattern in itself that is characterized with large swings in both directions. Our target zone for the bottom on this 4th wave is $126 – $116. If Nvidia can push over $140.75, then then odds favor this scenario.

Red – Nvidia is in a much more complex 4th wave. If this is playing out, NVDA would see the $116 level break, which opens the door to a potential low at $101, $90, or $78.”

Nvidia stock analysis with key target levels ($116, $132) and two potential scenarios for future price movement, outlining buying strategies and risk factors.

While the $116 support level still holds from our last analysis, the resistance worth monitoring is now $132. If Nvidia can breakout over the $132 resistance, it will shift the odds to the more immediately bullish count in blue. This would see a push into the $170 – $190 region over the coming months.

On the other hand, if Nvidia breaks below the $116 support level, it will signal that the more immediately bearish count in red is playing out. This would see us make a meaningful low in the $102 – $83 range over the coming months.

We began executing on our current buy plan, which is to layer into Nvidia at key levels. The $126 – $116 region was our first target. If the $116 region breaks, we will then target the $102 – $83 region to complete our buying. Considering the blue count is looking for a final 5th wave higher, we will likely not chase a breakout over $132.

Conclusion

If DeepSeek’s breakthroughs are truly the key to ushering in a new paradigm of AI training and ultimately AI democratization from cost reductions, it will not be a death sentence for Nvidia; in fact, quite the opposite.

This is Jevons paradox — where the technological advancements of Hopper and Blackwell will translate into significant efficiency gains and cost reductions for AI training, that then will drive near-ubiquity for AI services — and thus increase demand for GPUs in the data center, on-premise for enterprises and also on edge devices.

The market’s readthrough is that Big Tech has now been overspending on AI. However, The I/O Fund believes this readthrough is wrong; it’s not that the United States is overspending, it’s that we will accelerate spending to stay ahead. The I/O Fund recently entered five new small and mid-cap positions that we believe will be beneficiaries of this AI spending war. We discuss entries, exits and what to expect from the broad market every Thursday at 4:30 p.m. in our 1-hour webinar. Learn more here.

Please note: The I/O Fund conducts research and draws conclusions for the company’s portfolio. We then share that information with our readers and offer real-time trade notifications. This is not a guarantee of a stock’s performance and it is not financial advice. Please consult your personal financial advisor before buying any stock in the companies mentioned in this analysis. Beth Kindig and the I/O Fund own shares in NVDA at the time of writing and may own stocks pictured in the charts.

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Lumentum FQ1 Update: Strong Contender in AI Optical Networking

Posted on January 3, 2025June 30, 2026 by io-fund

The I/O Fund has been looking closely at the networking stack to position for 2025 due to the increased demand from the expanding role that optical networking will play in artificial intelligence clusters.

Lumentum is a strong candidate within the networking stack as the company supplies components for datacom transceivers and optical interconnects. We recently covered a close competitor Coherent, who is quite similar in terms of its products. As discussed in the Coherent writeup, transceivers and optical interconnects convert electrical signals into optical signals for fiber optic networks within the data center. Traditionally, optical links have been used for compute and storage servers, yet AI/ML servers are driving an increase in demand.

AI models are driving an exponential increase in compute requirements, meanwhile the scaling of workloads is limited by the existing network. Although GPUs and AI accelerators capture the headlines, as we move into 2025, hyperscalers will become equally as focused (if not more so) on networking capabilities as GPUs and ASICs are reaching the upper limit of what networking components and interconnects are capable of.

In response, transceiver speeds have been increasing, as traditionally, the highest data rates ranged from 100G to 200G to 400G. AI servers are driving a market for 800G data rates, which are shipping in production now, and 1.6T rates, which are shipping in 2025. These interconnects help to meet demand for high-speed, low-power data transmission in data centers. Over the coming year, a transition to 200G lane speeds for 800G and 1.6T single-mode optics and InP (indium phosphide) laser transmitters will cause some of these little-known suppliers to reach a critical inflection point in revenue, margins and cash.

The high-speed optical transceiver market is expected to grow at a 30% CAGR to exceed $10B between now and 2028. Notably, discussions from Lumentum’s management team points toward a more noticeable inflection in the second half of 2025 due to EML-related products being capacity constrained, yet we think it’s prudent to start tracking these companies now in an effort to be early. 

Optical Networking Components for 800G and 1.6T Transceiver Applications:

Lumentum’s cloud and networking segment inflected in the September quarter with 11% QoQ growth and more sequential growth expected in the December quarter. This was driven by silicon-based optical and photonic products, such as lasers, optical and datacom transceivers, and 400G and 800G optical modules.

About a year ago, Lumentum acquired a company called Cloud Light for its 800G transceivers. At time of acquisition, over half of Cloud Light’s $200M in revenue was from 800G modules, resulting in a doubling of Lumentum’s cloud data center infrastructure revenue.

The acquisition allowed Lumentum to add Cloud Light’s SR transceiver to the 100G VSCELs to potentially supply 800G transceivers to Nvidia. Following the acquisition, Lumentum is expected to become a supplier to Nvidia in early 2025 pending a qualification process with the Thailand facility.

An analyst pointed out the growth in the AI-related segment is forecast to be about 20% QoQ, from $282.3 million this quarter with an additional $55 million in sequential growth guided. The CEO stated it was from a mix of datacom chips and datacom modules although datacom chips will see bigger growth in the coming quarters: “I'd say Datacom chip growth is not a lot until the next couple of quarters because the capacity comes in increments in chunks.”

200G EML Datacom Transceivers:

Transceiver technologies that Lumentum provides include VSCELs, CW lasers for silicon photonics and EML-based lasers. Of these, the 200G EMLs are what is expected to drive the H2 2025 inflection. Management stated in the August earnings call that the 200G lane speeds in the 1.6T optical transceivers “play to our strengths” and that “we anticipate being a key laser supplier in initial 1.6T transceiver deployments as we ramp up 200G EMLs later this fiscal year.”

Electro-absorption modulated lasers (EMLs) enable 200G per lane transmission, which is enabling the 1.6TBps data rates for AI servers. As pointed out in last week’s analysis, EMLs were traditionally used by telecom customers, yet became attractive for AI servers due to meeting the 200G per second speeds necessary for 1.6T optical modules to support AI models. These are called single mode optics, made of Indium Phosphide, which has been used instead of silicon for long-haul networking due being a superior choice for optical functions, such as enabling the laser, modulator, photodetector and amplifier. InP is more expensive at the component level as four EMLs are needed compared to two lower-cost CW lasers for silicon photonics modules, yet this difference at the component level can be made up for in data centers as InP reduces power consumption.

Lumentum is already a lead supplier for 100G EML transceivers, and is setting up to be in pole position for the 200G EML transceivers. Per the November earnings call: “our 100G EMLs are currently shipping in high volumes to a wide range of optical transceiver suppliers for use in leading edge single-mode 400G and more importantly, 800G optical transceivers. These customers are now designing our 200G EMLs into their next generation of transceivers, positioning us well for the upcoming transition to 200G per lane.”

200G per Lane to Ramp in 2025

Management is optimistic in capturing the transition to 200G lane speeds that is expected to drive the importance of single-mode optics and indium phosphide laser transmitters. The company’s indium phosphide 100G EMLs (Externally-Modulated Lasers) are being shipped and used in leading single-mode 400G and 800G optical transceivers. These customers are now designing the company’s 200G EMLs into their next generation of transceivers.

Management provided a few clues as to when to expect an impact in their revenue growth from the 200G per lane datacom transceivers. For the upcoming quarter, datacom transceiver shipments are expected to increase QoQ and will continue to grow throughout the calendar year 2025. 

Regarding the timing, it was stated: “And so we're going to participate at the component level, as I talked about in the script, with our 200-gig EMLs and that ramps really more towards the summer of next year. But we're in the qualification stages today and have received volume orders today as our capacity is quite constrained. But I'd say that by the end of next calendar year, 1.6T should be ramping in a significant way.”

There was some talk about pricing power on EMLs, with management stating: “I think that we're justified in looking at price optimization on EMLs is one area that we are looking at and have implemented some strategic pricing for those products.”

EML Fully Subscribed in 2025:

In the August earnings call, it was stated the Indium Phosphide capacity is fully subscribed “to at least the end of calendar 2025. And therefore, we can only meet this demand by growing capacity.”

To increase capacity, the company is investing in wafer fab facilities, with $43 million spent in FQ4. In Q1, $74 million was invested in Capex “primarily driven by investments in high-speed transceiver capacity additions at our Thailand manufacturing site as well as indium phosphide wafer production capacity.”

Due to strong demand, the company is working to increase the EML production capacity by 40% in Q4 FY2025 compared to the same period last year, and then implied higher capacity growth the following year (beginning in June) – reference Q&A transcript below.

The company’s Datacom transceiver capacity expansion in Thailand is progressing well. The first production line is operational and management expects to complete additional phases in the next 18 months to meet the strong demand. These expansions are part of the company’s plan to expand facilities outside China.

Future Transceiver Technologies:

Looking further out into 2026, Lumentum is working on higher speed optical links, including 400G per lane, and new architectures, such as co-packaged optics requiring ultra-high power lasers. Specifically, the company’s experience in InP long haul transceivers is being tapped as AI servers scale out, especially since InP reduces power consumption compared to silicon.

Optical Switching:

Optical switches are a new kind of switch for AI clusters that handles the switching optically instead of using transceivers to convert photons to electrons, and back again. There are many competitors within optical switching, with heavyweights Broadcom and Arista coming to mind, yet Lumentum believes their MEMS-Based technology can set them apart. Although the discussion around MEMS can get quite technical, the idea is that Lumentum is a smaller, (potentially) key supplier for customers putting optical circuit switches into their data centers. Another use case for using Lumentum is to rearchitect or write software to enable the optical circuit switching.

According to the most recent earnings call, Lumentum has “already shipped evaluation units to customers who have provided overwhelmingly positive feedback on our performance.” It was also stated that “more meaningful growth will probably be in calendar 2026” for the optical switching circuit products.

Data Center Interconnects:

For long-distance transmission, Lumentum offers tunable lasers for data center interconnects (DCIs). These transmissions are traditionally used for telecom purposes and can range up to hundreds of kilometers, yet are now seeing demand for data center buildouts. Per the call: “we're seeing dramatic strength in anything ZR, anything to connect data centers as data centers are being built out, and that can take the form of ZR modules. But given our share of tunable lasers that go into ZRs, that's where we're going to see a dramatic pickup in the telecom side.”

Three Hyperscaler Customers for 2025

Lumentum recently added a third hyperscaler customer for a total of three hyperscaler customers. According to the earnings call: “we expect to start shipping volume production against these new customer awards in the first half of calendar 2025, and they will ramp through the year, consistent with the revenue targets we set out previously.”

According to a Susquehanna analyst, this is the return of the primary CloudLight customer i.e., Google. This is in addition to the new customer added last quarter.

With that said, Lumentum is competing for the larger orders expected to be placed sometime in 2025: “And I think we're positioning ourselves very well. We're having the capacity in place, as I said, with clean rooms as well as equipment. So we're planning for success, but we still have to earn that. But that said, these are all very, very large customers that consume a lot of transceivers. And so getting in the door is step one and earning bigger share is really what we're striving to do now.”

FQ1 Revenue and 2025 Revenue Targets

This quarter, Lumentum reported QoQ growth in its primary AI-related segment, Cloud and Networking. Management also reiterated their goal of reaching quarterly revenue of $500 million by the end of the calendar year 2025 while expecting continued significant growth into 2026 and 2027.

The management team plans to achieve its goal of $500 million quarterly revenue from the current guide of $390 million for the December quarter by increasing the EML capacity by 40% by June, and tapping the transceivers and data center infrastructure opportunities discussed above. If the traditional telecom business recovers, the company is expected to reach their goal before the end of the year.

Chris Coldren, Senior VP, recently said at the Barclays conference that he feels a lot better about telecom, which is another positive catalyst as the company’s revenue has declined in the past due to the inventory corrections at its network equipment customers.

“So, I feel a lot better about telecom than we have been at least several quarters that we're starting to see things improve. And hopefully, history repeats as things tend to improve, then they tend to improve faster than you expect. And then when they get bad, they tend to get worse than you expect. And we'll let you know when that starts to happen, but it definitely feels good.”

  • Q1 FY2025 revenue grew by 6.1% YoY to $336.9 million and set a new record for Datacom laser chip orders. The CEO, Alan Lowe, said in the earnings call, “In the first quarter, we exceeded the high end of our guidance for both revenue and earnings per share. We set a new record for Datacom laser chip orders, including 200-gig EML chips, reflecting strong demand from multiple customers, including an AI infrastructure customer.”
  • Management has guided FQ2 revenue of $390 million, representing YoY growth of 6.3% and 15.8% QoQ growth at the midpoint. “As we previously forecasted, our datacom transceiver shipments are expected to increase sequentially this December quarter, and we expect our transceiver production to continue growing throughout calendar year 2025, driven by demand from multiple hyperscale cloud and AI customers.”

Looking further out, analysts expect FY2025 ending June revenue to grow 17% YoY to $1.59 billion and 28.4% YoY to $2.04 billion in FY2026.

Segments

Cloud and Networking

Q1 FY2025 Cloud and Networking revenue grew by 23% YoY and 11% QoQ to $282.3 million. Profit from this segment increased 13% sequentially and 13% YoY. Segment profit increased to 2.5 percentage points YoY to 12.9%.

Revenue accelerated from a decline of (-11.1%) YoY in FQ4. Management attributed the strong growth to setting “a new record for Datacom laser chip orders, including 200-gig EML chips, reflecting strong demand from multiple customers, including an AI infrastructure customer.”

Management expects strong sequential growth to continue in FQ2: “based on expanding cloud demand and improving trends in the broader networking market, we expect double-digit sequential revenue growth in the second quarter.” Per discussions in the Q&A portion of the call, the implied increase QoQ for FQ2 will be $50 million to $60 million or about 20% sequential growth versus the 15.3% guided QoQ growth for overall revenue.

Industrial Tech

Industrial Tech revenue declined by (-38%) YoY and up 2% QoQ to $54.6 million. Management expects FQ2 revenue “to be approximately flat sequentially due to an uptick in industrial lasers led by our ultrafast lasers, offset by a sequential decline in 3D sensing revenue.” Segment profit declined to 4% from 17.4% in the same period last year.

Margins

The company’s margins are recovering helped by cost controls. The management has set an ambitious goal to achieve an adjusted operating margin of 17% to 20% when the company’s quarterly revenue surpasses $600 million. Management plans to reach the target by better capacity utilization, cost controls, and synergies from prior acquisitions.

Looking further ahead to next year, management expects gross margins to increase while operating margins will come under pressure from increased R&D investments: “we’ll see gross margins tick up sequentially through the fiscal year, but we'll — it will be muted a little bit from an operating margin standpoint because of the increased R&D investment we're making just given the amount of customer pull we have.”

The overhead expenses are also expected to increase in the next couple of quarters due to additional capacities being added. These investments are expected to yield benefits in the middle of this year as production ramps up. The Street can be especially margin-sensitive with hardware companies, and thus, this is important to keep track of:

“No, it does have a little bit of overhead impact [to add capacity] because we're building out in our Thailand facility as we move more of our production of transceivers to Thailand. And so as we move that up and ramp that up, there will be a couple of quarters of overhead expenses associated with that. And so that's already contemplated in the sequential increases in margins. But then as that volume ramps up in the middle part of next calendar year, we'll be able to see the benefit of that moving through the quarter. So we'll explain more about that as the quarters happen, but thank you for asking about that.”

  • Q1 FY2025 gross margin was 23.1% compared to 24.1% in the same period last year. Adjusted gross margin was 32.8% in both the periods. Management expects gross margins to improve sequentially throughout FY2025. “In future quarters, we anticipate company gross margins will sequentially increase as manufacturing utilization improves due to an improving telecom outlook as well as an increase in Datacom laser shipments.”
  • Operating margin was (-24.5%) compared to (-25.4%) in the same period last year. Adjusted operating margin improved to 3% from 0.60% in the same period last year. The difference between GAAP and non-GAAP operating margin is due to the stock-based compensation expenses and amortization of acquired intangibles. Management expects the adjusted operating margin to improve to 6.5% in FQ2.
  • Net margin was (-24.5%) or (-$82.4 million) compared to (-21.4%) or (-$67.9 million) in the same period last year. Adjusted net margin was 3.6% or $12.2 million compared to 5.1% or $16.1 million in the same period last year.
  • Adjusted EBITDA was $37 million or 11% of revenue compared to $34.6 million or 10.9% in the same period last year.

EPS

The EPS is expected to rebound in the coming quarters, with adjusted EPS expected to almost double sequentially in the next quarter. Note the very strong, incoming rebound on adjusted EPS below.

  • FQ1 adjusted EPS came in at $0.18, beating consensus estimates by 48.1%, helped by operating leverage and cost controls.
  • Analysts expect FQ2 adjusted EPS to grow 9.6% YoY to $0.35 and 46% YoY to $0.42 in FQ3.
  • Looking further out, analysts expect the adjusted EPS for FY2025 ending June to grow 56% YoY to $1.58 and 134.5% YoY to $3.70 in FY2026.

Cash Flow and Balance Sheet

The cash flows are improving, driven by the recovery in revenue. With management targeting an adjusted operating margin of 17% to 20% once quarterly revenue surpasses $600 million, cash flow generation should further strengthen in the coming quarters.

  • Q1 FY2025 operating cash flow was $39.6 million or 11.8% of revenue compared to (-$2.3 million) or (-0.7%) of revenue in the same period last year.
  • Free cash outflow was (-$34.5 million) or (-10.2%) of revenue compared to (-$63.1 million) or (-19.9%) of revenue in the same period last year. The company has been investing due to the strong demand for AI. The company’s CEO, Alan Lowe, said in the earnings call, “In Q1, we invested $74 million in CapEx, primarily driven by investments in high-speed transceiver capacity additions at our Thailand manufacturing site as well as indium phosphide wafer production capacity.”
  • The company has cash & short-term investments of $916.1 million and debt of $2.58 billion compared to $887 million and $2.5 billion at the end of FQ4.

Earnings Call Q&A:

EMLs are Capacity Constrained

EML production capacity was the hot topic on the earnings call, with the discussions revealing quite a bit about Lumentum’s strategy as the company attempts to compete against companies like Coherent/Innolight, Eoptolink, and others. Essentially, the company is buying CW lasers while reserving capacity for EML production in-house.

Reserving capacity for EMLs:

Here is what was stated regarding why Lumentum is looking for more H2 2025 strength in both EML lasers and the company’s strategy when approaching limited capacity with what they can build in-house:

“So, we use a lot of CW lasers, not EML lasers yet in the products that we're shipping and released today. So we can buy those CW lasers externally or we can use our very critical EML capacity to add those CW lasers into our products.

We've done the math. There's a lot of good CW laser suppliers. It makes more sense for us to buy those CW lasers and free up that EML capacity to ship to our customers than it would be to convert that EML capacity to CW lasers, for example. So that's one of the things that's pushing off that integration of CW lasers into our products until the second half.

I'd say that we are working on EML-based designs, and those will come to market in the second half of the calendar year. We have to get qualified and go through that. But today, most of the products that we're producing are silicon photonic-based using CW lasers from our strategic supplier partners to keep that EML capacity for our customers.”

–End Quote

1.6T Transceivers Driving Demand for EMLs:

Lumentum’s call is decisively focused on EMLs compared to more broad product discussions on the VSCELs or CW lasers that Coherent’s call covers. When asked why EML is so critical to Lumentum’s strategy, the management team responded with:

“And I'd add that the real performance advantage of EML starts to come in as we talk about 1.6T and future generations of higher performance 1.6T. So, our natural road map also aligns with using more vertical integration where the technologies are much more differentiated at those speeds.” There was also a follow-up: “And as Chris said, a lot of the new next generation of 1.6T likes EMLs better, especially as you get into multi-wavelengths where EMLs can really play a key role there. So yes, we're absolutely going to do that. It probably makes more sense in the second half of the calendar year as we get into these more advanced 1.6T products.

And then we have next-generation 200-gig EMLs, which are really going to differentiate us from our competitors. And I think that really gives us the ability to drive incremental differentiation at the transceiver level and drive higher gross margins.”

It was also stated during this discussion that the goal is to increase EML production capacity by 40% between June of 2024 and June of 2025. There was a question as to why not increase it 100%, to which management relented they would increase by that much, if they could: “So a very good question. If I had the ability to add 100% between now and June, I would do it.”

Most importantly, management hinted there would be more than 40% capacity increases after June, pointing toward wafer capacity for EMLs coming online in Japan: “And so I think we're going to do well in the second half of the calendar year on that. But we are adding capacity beyond the 40% for sure after the June quarter. We're not sitting idle for sure.”

EMLs will Not Ship until Later this Year:

Quick note to say the 11% sequential growth last quarter and the expected 20% growth this quarter in the cloud and networking segment is not coming from EMLs yet.

Per the discussions: “And so these, in general, are transceivers that won't have our EMLs at initial launch, if you will, because these have been in development and designed over the past year or so.

Obviously, these accounts have other opportunities to Alan's point, as we succeed and execute with them, not only will there be more share, but there will be more SKUs and other types of transceivers where we can introduce more of our own content.”

Expanding Outside of China

There were discussions around China with management stating “we’re as tariff-free as you can get with respect to our future,” citing manufacturing in the United States, U.K., Thailand and Japan. Similar to Coherent, Lumentum sees this as a tailwind.

“And with our U.S. headquarter and manufacturing outside of China, I think there's a compelling reason for customers to come our way. So we expect to not only grow our datacom module business and EML chip business, but gain significant share through the next coming years.”

Conclusion:

It’s important to emphasize that it’s not clear who will win the networking wars, yet we think given our detailed process of tracking earnings reports for material inflections, combined with technicals that allow us to reduce risk while tracking breakouts, that we will be able to carefully add the correct winners to our portfolio for 2025.

To hear more on how we plan to position this year, plan to join me for a one-hour special webinar for Q1 2025 on January 14th at 4:30 pm EST.

That’s a wrap for 2024! Thank you for an amazing year, we look forward to continued outperformance in 2025.

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Lumentum FQ1 Update: Strong Contender in AI Optical Networking

Posted on January 3, 2025June 30, 2026 by io-fund

The I/O Fund has been looking closely at the networking stack to position for 2025 due to the increased demand from the expanding role that optical networking will play in artificial intelligence clusters.

Lumentum is a strong candidate within the networking stack as the company supplies components for datacom transceivers and optical interconnects. We recently covered a close competitor Coherent, who is quite similar in terms of its products. As discussed in the Coherent writeup, transceivers and optical interconnects convert electrical signals into optical signals for fiber optic networks within the data center. Traditionally, optical links have been used for compute and storage servers, yet AI/ML servers are driving an increase in demand.

AI models are driving an exponential increase in compute requirements, meanwhile the scaling of workloads is limited by the existing network. Although GPUs and AI accelerators capture the headlines, as we move into 2025, hyperscalers will become equally as focused (if not more so) on networking capabilities as GPUs and ASICs are reaching the upper limit of what networking components and interconnects are capable of.

In response, transceiver speeds have been increasing, as traditionally, the highest data rates ranged from 100G to 200G to 400G. AI servers are driving a market for 800G data rates, which are shipping in production now, and 1.6T rates, which are shipping in 2025. These interconnects help to meet demand for high-speed, low-power data transmission in data centers. Over the coming year, a transition to 200G lane speeds for 800G and 1.6T single-mode optics and InP (indium phosphide) laser transmitters will cause some of these little-known suppliers to reach a critical inflection point in revenue, margins and cash.

The high-speed optical transceiver market is expected to grow at a 30% CAGR to exceed $10B between now and 2028. Notably, discussions from Lumentum’s management team points toward a more noticeable inflection in the second half of 2025 due to EML-related products being capacity constrained, yet we think it’s prudent to start tracking these companies now in an effort to be early. 

Optical Networking Components for 800G and 1.6T Transceiver Applications:

Lumentum’s cloud and networking segment inflected in the September quarter with 11% QoQ growth and more sequential growth expected in the December quarter. This was driven by silicon-based optical and photonic products, such as lasers, optical and datacom transceivers, and 400G and 800G optical modules.

About a year ago, Lumentum acquired a company called Cloud Light for its 800G transceivers. At time of acquisition, over half of Cloud Light’s $200M in revenue was from 800G modules, resulting in a doubling of Lumentum’s cloud data center infrastructure revenue.

The acquisition allowed Lumentum to add Cloud Light’s SR transceiver to the 100G VSCELs to potentially supply 800G transceivers to Nvidia. Following the acquisition, Lumentum is expected to become a supplier to Nvidia in early 2025 pending a qualification process with the Thailand facility.

An analyst pointed out the growth in the AI-related segment is forecast to be about 20% QoQ, from $282.3 million this quarter with an additional $55 million in sequential growth guided. The CEO stated it was from a mix of datacom chips and datacom modules although datacom chips will see bigger growth in the coming quarters: “I'd say Datacom chip growth is not a lot until the next couple of quarters because the capacity comes in increments in chunks.”

200G EML Datacom Transceivers:

Transceiver technologies that Lumentum provides include VSCELs, CW lasers for silicon photonics and EML-based lasers. Of these, the 200G EMLs are what is expected to drive the H2 2025 inflection. Management stated in the August earnings call that the 200G lane speeds in the 1.6T optical transceivers “play to our strengths” and that “we anticipate being a key laser supplier in initial 1.6T transceiver deployments as we ramp up 200G EMLs later this fiscal year.”

Electro-absorption modulated lasers (EMLs) enable 200G per lane transmission, which is enabling the 1.6TBps data rates for AI servers. As pointed out in last week’s analysis, EMLs were traditionally used by telecom customers, yet became attractive for AI servers due to meeting the 200G per second speeds necessary for 1.6T optical modules to support AI models. These are called single mode optics, made of Indium Phosphide, which has been used instead of silicon for long-haul networking due being a superior choice for optical functions, such as enabling the laser, modulator, photodetector and amplifier. InP is more expensive at the component level as four EMLs are needed compared to two lower-cost CW lasers for silicon photonics modules, yet this difference at the component level can be made up for in data centers as InP reduces power consumption.

Lumentum is already a lead supplier for 100G EML transceivers, and is setting up to be in pole position for the 200G EML transceivers. Per the November earnings call: “our 100G EMLs are currently shipping in high volumes to a wide range of optical transceiver suppliers for use in leading edge single-mode 400G and more importantly, 800G optical transceivers. These customers are now designing our 200G EMLs into their next generation of transceivers, positioning us well for the upcoming transition to 200G per lane.”

200G per Lane to Ramp in 2025

Management is optimistic in capturing the transition to 200G lane speeds that is expected to drive the importance of single-mode optics and indium phosphide laser transmitters. The company’s indium phosphide 100G EMLs (Externally-Modulated Lasers) are being shipped and used in leading single-mode 400G and 800G optical transceivers. These customers are now designing the company’s 200G EMLs into their next generation of transceivers.

Management provided a few clues as to when to expect an impact in their revenue growth from the 200G per lane datacom transceivers. For the upcoming quarter, datacom transceiver shipments are expected to increase QoQ and will continue to grow throughout the calendar year 2025. 

Regarding the timing, it was stated: “And so we're going to participate at the component level, as I talked about in the script, with our 200-gig EMLs and that ramps really more towards the summer of next year. But we're in the qualification stages today and have received volume orders today as our capacity is quite constrained. But I'd say that by the end of next calendar year, 1.6T should be ramping in a significant way.”

There was some talk about pricing power on EMLs, with management stating: “I think that we're justified in looking at price optimization on EMLs is one area that we are looking at and have implemented some strategic pricing for those products.”

EML Fully Subscribed in 2025:

In the August earnings call, it was stated the Indium Phosphide capacity is fully subscribed “to at least the end of calendar 2025. And therefore, we can only meet this demand by growing capacity.”

To increase capacity, the company is investing in wafer fab facilities, with $43 million spent in FQ4. In Q1, $74 million was invested in Capex “primarily driven by investments in high-speed transceiver capacity additions at our Thailand manufacturing site as well as indium phosphide wafer production capacity.”

Due to strong demand, the company is working to increase the EML production capacity by 40% in Q4 FY2025 compared to the same period last year, and then implied higher capacity growth the following year (beginning in June) – reference Q&A transcript below.

The company’s Datacom transceiver capacity expansion in Thailand is progressing well. The first production line is operational and management expects to complete additional phases in the next 18 months to meet the strong demand. These expansions are part of the company’s plan to expand facilities outside China.

Future Transceiver Technologies:

Looking further out into 2026, Lumentum is working on higher speed optical links, including 400G per lane, and new architectures, such as co-packaged optics requiring ultra-high power lasers. Specifically, the company’s experience in InP long haul transceivers is being tapped as AI servers scale out, especially since InP reduces power consumption compared to silicon.

Optical Switching:

Optical switches are a new kind of switch for AI clusters that handles the switching optically instead of using transceivers to convert photons to electrons, and back again. There are many competitors within optical switching, with heavyweights Broadcom and Arista coming to mind, yet Lumentum believes their MEMS-Based technology can set them apart. Although the discussion around MEMS can get quite technical, the idea is that Lumentum is a smaller, (potentially) key supplier for customers putting optical circuit switches into their data centers. Another use case for using Lumentum is to rearchitect or write software to enable the optical circuit switching.

According to the most recent earnings call, Lumentum has “already shipped evaluation units to customers who have provided overwhelmingly positive feedback on our performance.” It was also stated that “more meaningful growth will probably be in calendar 2026” for the optical switching circuit products.

Data Center Interconnects:

For long-distance transmission, Lumentum offers tunable lasers for data center interconnects (DCIs). These transmissions are traditionally used for telecom purposes and can range up to hundreds of kilometers, yet are now seeing demand for data center buildouts. Per the call: “we're seeing dramatic strength in anything ZR, anything to connect data centers as data centers are being built out, and that can take the form of ZR modules. But given our share of tunable lasers that go into ZRs, that's where we're going to see a dramatic pickup in the telecom side.”

Three Hyperscaler Customers for 2025

Lumentum recently added a third hyperscaler customer for a total of three hyperscaler customers. According to the earnings call: “we expect to start shipping volume production against these new customer awards in the first half of calendar 2025, and they will ramp through the year, consistent with the revenue targets we set out previously.”

According to a Susquehanna analyst, this is the return of the primary CloudLight customer i.e., Google. This is in addition to the new customer added last quarter.

With that said, Lumentum is competing for the larger orders expected to be placed sometime in 2025: “And I think we're positioning ourselves very well. We're having the capacity in place, as I said, with clean rooms as well as equipment. So we're planning for success, but we still have to earn that. But that said, these are all very, very large customers that consume a lot of transceivers. And so getting in the door is step one and earning bigger share is really what we're striving to do now.”

FQ1 Revenue and 2025 Revenue Targets

This quarter, Lumentum reported QoQ growth in its primary AI-related segment, Cloud and Networking. Management also reiterated their goal of reaching quarterly revenue of $500 million by the end of the calendar year 2025 while expecting continued significant growth into 2026 and 2027.

The management team plans to achieve its goal of $500 million quarterly revenue from the current guide of $390 million for the December quarter by increasing the EML capacity by 40% by June, and tapping the transceivers and data center infrastructure opportunities discussed above. If the traditional telecom business recovers, the company is expected to reach their goal before the end of the year.

Chris Coldren, Senior VP, recently said at the Barclays conference that he feels a lot better about telecom, which is another positive catalyst as the company’s revenue has declined in the past due to the inventory corrections at its network equipment customers.

“So, I feel a lot better about telecom than we have been at least several quarters that we're starting to see things improve. And hopefully, history repeats as things tend to improve, then they tend to improve faster than you expect. And then when they get bad, they tend to get worse than you expect. And we'll let you know when that starts to happen, but it definitely feels good.”

  • Q1 FY2025 revenue grew by 6.1% YoY to $336.9 million and set a new record for Datacom laser chip orders. The CEO, Alan Lowe, said in the earnings call, “In the first quarter, we exceeded the high end of our guidance for both revenue and earnings per share. We set a new record for Datacom laser chip orders, including 200-gig EML chips, reflecting strong demand from multiple customers, including an AI infrastructure customer.”
  • Management has guided FQ2 revenue of $390 million, representing YoY growth of 6.3% and 15.8% QoQ growth at the midpoint. “As we previously forecasted, our datacom transceiver shipments are expected to increase sequentially this December quarter, and we expect our transceiver production to continue growing throughout calendar year 2025, driven by demand from multiple hyperscale cloud and AI customers.”

Looking further out, analysts expect FY2025 ending June revenue to grow 17% YoY to $1.59 billion and 28.4% YoY to $2.04 billion in FY2026.

Segments

Cloud and Networking

Q1 FY2025 Cloud and Networking revenue grew by 23% YoY and 11% QoQ to $282.3 million. Profit from this segment increased 13% sequentially and 13% YoY. Segment profit increased to 2.5 percentage points YoY to 12.9%.

Revenue accelerated from a decline of (-11.1%) YoY in FQ4. Management attributed the strong growth to setting “a new record for Datacom laser chip orders, including 200-gig EML chips, reflecting strong demand from multiple customers, including an AI infrastructure customer.”

Management expects strong sequential growth to continue in FQ2: “based on expanding cloud demand and improving trends in the broader networking market, we expect double-digit sequential revenue growth in the second quarter.” Per discussions in the Q&A portion of the call, the implied increase QoQ for FQ2 will be $50 million to $60 million or about 20% sequential growth versus the 15.3% guided QoQ growth for overall revenue.

Industrial Tech

Industrial Tech revenue declined by (-38%) YoY and up 2% QoQ to $54.6 million. Management expects FQ2 revenue “to be approximately flat sequentially due to an uptick in industrial lasers led by our ultrafast lasers, offset by a sequential decline in 3D sensing revenue.” Segment profit declined to 4% from 17.4% in the same period last year.

Margins

The company’s margins are recovering helped by cost controls. The management has set an ambitious goal to achieve an adjusted operating margin of 17% to 20% when the company’s quarterly revenue surpasses $600 million. Management plans to reach the target by better capacity utilization, cost controls, and synergies from prior acquisitions.

Looking further ahead to next year, management expects gross margins to increase while operating margins will come under pressure from increased R&D investments: “we’ll see gross margins tick up sequentially through the fiscal year, but we'll — it will be muted a little bit from an operating margin standpoint because of the increased R&D investment we're making just given the amount of customer pull we have.”

The overhead expenses are also expected to increase in the next couple of quarters due to additional capacities being added. These investments are expected to yield benefits in the middle of this year as production ramps up. The Street can be especially margin-sensitive with hardware companies, and thus, this is important to keep track of:

“No, it does have a little bit of overhead impact [to add capacity] because we're building out in our Thailand facility as we move more of our production of transceivers to Thailand. And so as we move that up and ramp that up, there will be a couple of quarters of overhead expenses associated with that. And so that's already contemplated in the sequential increases in margins. But then as that volume ramps up in the middle part of next calendar year, we'll be able to see the benefit of that moving through the quarter. So we'll explain more about that as the quarters happen, but thank you for asking about that.”

  • Q1 FY2025 gross margin was 23.1% compared to 24.1% in the same period last year. Adjusted gross margin was 32.8% in both the periods. Management expects gross margins to improve sequentially throughout FY2025. “In future quarters, we anticipate company gross margins will sequentially increase as manufacturing utilization improves due to an improving telecom outlook as well as an increase in Datacom laser shipments.”
  • Operating margin was (-24.5%) compared to (-25.4%) in the same period last year. Adjusted operating margin improved to 3% from 0.60% in the same period last year. The difference between GAAP and non-GAAP operating margin is due to the stock-based compensation expenses and amortization of acquired intangibles. Management expects the adjusted operating margin to improve to 6.5% in FQ2.
  • Net margin was (-24.5%) or (-$82.4 million) compared to (-21.4%) or (-$67.9 million) in the same period last year. Adjusted net margin was 3.6% or $12.2 million compared to 5.1% or $16.1 million in the same period last year.
  • Adjusted EBITDA was $37 million or 11% of revenue compared to $34.6 million or 10.9% in the same period last year.

EPS

The EPS is expected to rebound in the coming quarters, with adjusted EPS expected to almost double sequentially in the next quarter. Note the very strong, incoming rebound on adjusted EPS below.

  • FQ1 adjusted EPS came in at $0.18, beating consensus estimates by 48.1%, helped by operating leverage and cost controls.
  • Analysts expect FQ2 adjusted EPS to grow 9.6% YoY to $0.35 and 46% YoY to $0.42 in FQ3.
  • Looking further out, analysts expect the adjusted EPS for FY2025 ending June to grow 56% YoY to $1.58 and 134.5% YoY to $3.70 in FY2026.

Cash Flow and Balance Sheet

The cash flows are improving, driven by the recovery in revenue. With management targeting an adjusted operating margin of 17% to 20% once quarterly revenue surpasses $600 million, cash flow generation should further strengthen in the coming quarters.

  • Q1 FY2025 operating cash flow was $39.6 million or 11.8% of revenue compared to (-$2.3 million) or (-0.7%) of revenue in the same period last year.
  • Free cash outflow was (-$34.5 million) or (-10.2%) of revenue compared to (-$63.1 million) or (-19.9%) of revenue in the same period last year. The company has been investing due to the strong demand for AI. The company’s CEO, Alan Lowe, said in the earnings call, “In Q1, we invested $74 million in CapEx, primarily driven by investments in high-speed transceiver capacity additions at our Thailand manufacturing site as well as indium phosphide wafer production capacity.”
  • The company has cash & short-term investments of $916.1 million and debt of $2.58 billion compared to $887 million and $2.5 billion at the end of FQ4.

Earnings Call Q&A:

EMLs are Capacity Constrained

EML production capacity was the hot topic on the earnings call, with the discussions revealing quite a bit about Lumentum’s strategy as the company attempts to compete against companies like Coherent/Innolight, Eoptolink, and others. Essentially, the company is buying CW lasers while reserving capacity for EML production in-house.

Reserving capacity for EMLs:

Here is what was stated regarding why Lumentum is looking for more H2 2025 strength in both EML lasers and the company’s strategy when approaching limited capacity with what they can build in-house:

“So, we use a lot of CW lasers, not EML lasers yet in the products that we're shipping and released today. So we can buy those CW lasers externally or we can use our very critical EML capacity to add those CW lasers into our products.

We've done the math. There's a lot of good CW laser suppliers. It makes more sense for us to buy those CW lasers and free up that EML capacity to ship to our customers than it would be to convert that EML capacity to CW lasers, for example. So that's one of the things that's pushing off that integration of CW lasers into our products until the second half.

I'd say that we are working on EML-based designs, and those will come to market in the second half of the calendar year. We have to get qualified and go through that. But today, most of the products that we're producing are silicon photonic-based using CW lasers from our strategic supplier partners to keep that EML capacity for our customers.”

–End Quote

1.6T Transceivers Driving Demand for EMLs:

Lumentum’s call is decisively focused on EMLs compared to more broad product discussions on the VSCELs or CW lasers that Coherent’s call covers. When asked why EML is so critical to Lumentum’s strategy, the management team responded with:

“And I'd add that the real performance advantage of EML starts to come in as we talk about 1.6T and future generations of higher performance 1.6T. So, our natural road map also aligns with using more vertical integration where the technologies are much more differentiated at those speeds.” There was also a follow-up: “And as Chris said, a lot of the new next generation of 1.6T likes EMLs better, especially as you get into multi-wavelengths where EMLs can really play a key role there. So yes, we're absolutely going to do that. It probably makes more sense in the second half of the calendar year as we get into these more advanced 1.6T products.

And then we have next-generation 200-gig EMLs, which are really going to differentiate us from our competitors. And I think that really gives us the ability to drive incremental differentiation at the transceiver level and drive higher gross margins.”

It was also stated during this discussion that the goal is to increase EML production capacity by 40% between June of 2024 and June of 2025. There was a question as to why not increase it 100%, to which management relented they would increase by that much, if they could: “So a very good question. If I had the ability to add 100% between now and June, I would do it.”

Most importantly, management hinted there would be more than 40% capacity increases after June, pointing toward wafer capacity for EMLs coming online in Japan: “And so I think we're going to do well in the second half of the calendar year on that. But we are adding capacity beyond the 40% for sure after the June quarter. We're not sitting idle for sure.”

EMLs will Not Ship until Later this Year:

Quick note to say the 11% sequential growth last quarter and the expected 20% growth this quarter in the cloud and networking segment is not coming from EMLs yet.

Per the discussions: “And so these, in general, are transceivers that won't have our EMLs at initial launch, if you will, because these have been in development and designed over the past year or so.

Obviously, these accounts have other opportunities to Alan's point, as we succeed and execute with them, not only will there be more share, but there will be more SKUs and other types of transceivers where we can introduce more of our own content.”

Expanding Outside of China

There were discussions around China with management stating “we’re as tariff-free as you can get with respect to our future,” citing manufacturing in the United States, U.K., Thailand and Japan. Similar to Coherent, Lumentum sees this as a tailwind.

“And with our U.S. headquarter and manufacturing outside of China, I think there's a compelling reason for customers to come our way. So we expect to not only grow our datacom module business and EML chip business, but gain significant share through the next coming years.”

Conclusion:

It’s important to emphasize that it’s not clear who will win the networking wars, yet we think given our detailed process of tracking earnings reports for material inflections, combined with technicals that allow us to reduce risk while tracking breakouts, that we will be able to carefully add the correct winners to our portfolio for 2025.

To hear more on how we plan to position this year, plan to join me for a one-hour special webinar for Q1 2025 on January 14th at 4:30 pm EST.

That’s a wrap for 2024! Thank you for an amazing year, we look forward to continued outperformance in 2025.

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Where I Plan To Buy Nvidia Stock Next

Posted on January 2, 2025June 30, 2026 by io-fund
Where I Plan To Buy Nvidia Stock Next

This article was originally published on Forbes on Dec 23, 2024,05:03pm ESTForbes Forbes on Dec 23, 2024,05:03pm EST

Blackwell is the word for Nvidia as the AI leader heads into 2025, with multiple configurations and a mid-year upgrade (B300/GB300) for its new powerful GPU set to ramp significantly over the next few quarters. As recapped to the I/O Fund’s premium members after its Q3 earnings report, the I/O Fund is tracking multiple supply chain signals indicating Blackwell sales will likely far exceed the GPU sales we saw in 2023 and 2024 combined – to the tune of bringing Nvidia to $200 billion in data center revenue.

Analysts are already increasing their forecasts for Blackwell shipments for Q4 and for Q1, with forecasts for 250,000 to 300,000 shipments in Q4 nearly tripling to 750,000 to 800,000 in Q1. This compares to previous views seeing Q4 shipments of 150,000 to 200,000 ramping to 550,000 in Q1. This suggests Blackwell revenue estimates for Q1 are already moving 40-60% higher, potentially driving positive revenue revisions throughout the year as it becomes Nvidia’s primary GPU product.

Nvidia has tailwinds in 2025 from increased pricing power with Blackwell, output and shipment estimates already rising before the ramp begins, AI capex still quickly growing, and GPU clusters starting in the 100K range where Hopper maxed out, even as competition from AMD, Broadcom and others begins to increase.

Nvidia also has the benefit from the end of its fiscal year early next year, with the Street soon looking to 2026 numbers – which very well could be too low given the signals Blackwell is already giving. At the moment, Nvidia is trading at just 30x 2026’s estimated earnings of $4.43, its cheapest bottom line valuation since shares were $95 in May 2024 – and Blackwell still holds the potential to drive quarterly revenue beats the same way Hopper has and with margins returning to Hopper’s highs.

The bigger picture for Nvidia moving forward is that Blackwell holds the potential to dwarf Hopper, and the I/O plans on keeping its members informed on what it sees ahead for Nvidia with frequent updates for members. With that in mind, here’s what the I/O Fund sees as 2024 ends and 2025 begins.

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Nvidia Technicals: A Swing Higher In the Cards

Nvidia appears to be setting up for the next swing higher. As long as any further weakness holds over $116, this move should target between $165 – $173, with the potential to reach as high as $193.

If this swing gets confirmed, it would likely be the final 5th wave in the historic uptrend that started in October of 2022. This does not mean that the technicals do not support significantly higher prices, it only means that Nvidia will first have to deal with a notable correction in both price and time before it sees those levels.

The pattern off the October 2022 low developed as a classic 5 wave pattern. In early 2024 price went vertical. This was accompanied with max volume and peak momentum. This is the standard pattern seen in 3rd waves, and it tends to be the most powerful part of a 5 wave pattern. From the perspective of sentiment, this is the part of the trend where everyone realizes at once the direction of the trend. Shorts cover at the same time as the crowd buys, creating that standard pattern in 3rd waves.

This would mean that the correction in June of 2024 was the 4th wave, and that this is likely in the final 5th wave higher. The sentiment pattern in 5th waves to new highs in price, but on lower momentum and lower volume, which is what is happening now.

Nvidia Chart 1

Nvidia appears to be setting up for the next swing higher. Source: I/O Fund

Zooming into the 4th wave correction that started in June of 2024 offers a better idea of the two potential paths that I am currently tracking.

Nvidia Chart 2

Zooming into the 4th wave correction that started in June of 2024 gives a better idea of the two potential paths that I am currently tracking. Source: I/O Fund

  • Blue – The final 5th wave is playing out as an ending diagonal pattern, which is common for 5th waves. This type of pattern is a 5 wave pattern in itself that is characterized with large swings in both directions. Our target zone for the bottom on this 4th wave is $126 – $116. If Nvidia can push over $140.75, then then odds favor this scenario.
  • Red – Nvidia is in a much more complex 4th wave. If this is playing out, NVDA would see the $116 level break, which opens the door to a potential low at $101, $90, or $78.

One final point worth mentioning is how the broad semiconductor sector is performing in relation to the S&P 500. Semiconductors tend to be much more sensitive to the consumer, and economy than most sectors. For this reason, in periods of economic expansion, semiconductors tend to lead, outperforming the broad market.

However, when this sector starts to move against the broad market, it tends to be a warning that volatility is ahead. In fact, every time that the semiconductor sector has made a lower high while the broad market made a higher high – i.e., semiconductors do not confirm the move higher – this preceded some period of volatility since the 2021 top.

S&P 500 and Semiconductor Charts

When semiconductors start to move against the broad market, it tends to be a warning that volatility is ahead. Source: I/O Fund

This pattern can be seen going back to 2000 and consistently warned of weakness. As of now, this is one of the largest and longest periods of divergence between the semiconductor sector and the broad market on record.

If the broader semiconductor sector stays below its July 2024 high, I would consider this a warning. This does not mean that I do not see potential upside, it only means that any long positions the I/O Fund takes will have strict targets at which we take gains and stops to protect us in case the market turns against us.

Every Thursday at 4:30 pm Eastern, the I/O Fund team holds a webinar for premium members to discuss how to navigate the broad market, as well as various stock entries and exits. We offer trade alerts plus an automated hedging signal. The I/O Fund team is one of the only audited portfolios available to individual investors. Learn more here.Learn more hereLearn more here.

Conclusion

Make no mistake, Nvidia is the best stock of the decade and it’s only four years in. The I/O Fund has an aggressive buy plan at key levels should the stock pull back, and we have a backup plan should the stock overcome the peer pressure we are seeing from the semiconductor industry and meaningfully breakout.

Nvidia has been our largest position for the last 4 years. The I/O Fund sent out nine buy alerts to our readers to buy this position below $20 in 2021 – 2022. The I/O Fund believes the future is bright for Nvidia, and believe the potential next swing is worth playing. However, with all the warning signs, any new long position will have strict risk controls until these warnings reset.

The I/O Fund is also closely analyzing the supply chain to identify overlooked beneficiaries of the AI infrastructure buildout, sharing this information as well as potential buy and sell plans and real time trade alerts with premium members. The I/O Fund recently entered two separate beneficiaries for gains of 23% and 17% since November. Learn more here.

I/O Fund Portfolio Manager Knox Ridley and I/O Fund Equity Analyst Damien Robbins contributed to this report.

Please note: The I/O Fund conducts research and draws conclusions for the company’s portfolio. We then share that information with our readers and offer real-time trade notifications. This is not a guarantee of a stock’s performance and it is not financial advice. Please consult your personal financial advisor before buying any stock in the companies mentioned in this analysis. Beth Kindig and the I/O Fund own shares in NVDA at the time of writing and may own stocks pictured in the charts.

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