Broadcom reported a strong Q1, with revenue topping estimates by $330 million as management noted that AI revenue rose 77% YoY in the quarter. AI revenue reached $4.1 billion this quarter, beating previous guidance of $3.8 billion. The beat was driven by strength in networking with management mentioning last quarter that custom silicon would see stronger growth in H2. It was also stated networking was 40% of AI revenue while it’s typically 30% of AI revenue (confirming the higher product mix this quarter).
The stock was up double-digits after hours specifically when Broadcom stated next quarter AI revenue would be $4.4 billion and when management reiterated their serviceable addressable market forecast of $60 billion to $90 billion, stating “these R&D investments are very aligned with the roadmap of our three hyperscale customers as they each race towards 1 million XPU clusters by the end of 2027. And accordingly, we do reaffirm what we said last quarter, that we expect these three hyperscale customers will generate a Serviceable Addressable Market or SAM in the range of $60 billion to $90 billion in fiscal 2027.”
Managment also mentioned there are two more hyperscalers that plan “to tape out their XPUs” this year, referencing future expansion of the quoted SAM.
We’ve seen many AI stocks with similarly strong reports sell off this quarter, whereas the market loves Broadcom’s strong margins, its cash and the clarity management provides in terms of exact AI revenue per quarter.
Revenue
Broadcom’s revenue increased 24.7% YoY to $14.92 billion in its fiscal Q1, ahead of estimates for $14.59 billion due to strong AI momentum. Management guided for Q2 revenue to be flat sequentially at $14.9 billion, ahead of estimates for $14.73 billion.
Looking ahead, growth is expected to decelerate to 19.3% in Q2, a more than 5 point deceleration from 24.7% growth in Q1. Broadcom is lapping comps that include VMWare’s acquisition, hence why there is a large QoQ deceleration in Q1.
Most importantly, AI revenue rose 77% YoY and ~11% QoQ to $4.1 billion. For Q2, Broadcom said that it expects AI momentum to continue in Q2 “as hyperscale partners continue to invest in AI XPUs and connectivity solutions for AI data centers,” forecasting AI revenue to be $4.4 billion, up just over 7% QoQ and 44% YoY. This would put AI revenue at $8.5 billion for the first half of the fiscal year, up more than 57% from $5.3 billion in the same period last year.
Key Segments
Semiconductor Solutions revenue rose 11% YoY and was approximately flat QoQ at $8.22 billion, decelerating 1 point from 12% YoY growth in Q4.
AI revenue was $4.1 billion, ahead of management’s guidance for $3.8 billion on “stronger shipments of networking solutions to hyperscalers on AI.” Management added that they “see a steady ramp in deployment of our XPUs and networking products,” supporting its AI revenue guide of $4.4 billion in Q2.
Non-AI semiconductor revenue was $4.1 billion, down 9% QoQ due to a seasonal decline in wireless revenue.
Broadband “showed a double-digit sequential recovery in Q1 and is expected to be up similarly in Q2 as service providers and telcos step up spending.”
Server storage “was down single-digits sequentially in Q1, but is expected to be up high-single digits sequentially in Q2.”
Enterprise networking is expected to remain flattish in Q1 and Q2 as customers work through inventory.
Wireless was flat in Q1 and expected to be flat YoY in Q2, and resales in industrial were “down double-digits in Q1 and are expected to be down in Q2.”
Infrastructure Solutions revenue rose 47% YoY and 15% QoQ to $6.70 billion. Management said the QoQ performance was “exaggerated though by deals which slipped” from Q4 to Q1, though the strong YoY performance was driven by two factors – converting largely perpetual licenses to one full subscription, and “upselling customers to a full stack VCF, which enables the entire data center to be virtualized.” At the end of Q1, approximately 70% of Broadcom’s 10,000 largest customers have adopted VCF.
For Q2, Infrastructure Software revenue is expected to be $6.5 billion, up 23% YoY.
Margins
Margins expanded significantly across the board in Q1, with GAAP operating margin seeing the strongest expansion on a QoQ basis of 9.1 points.
Gross margin was 68.0% in Q1, up from 64.1% in the prior quarter as gross profit topped $10 billion for the first time. Adjusted gross margin was 79.1%, expanding from 76.9% in the prior quarter.
Operating margin witnessed the strongest QoQ expansion, with Broadcom reporting a 42.0% margin in Q1, up from 32.9% in Q4; this is marking a return to pre-VMWare acquisition levels. Adjusted operating margin was 65.9%, up from 62.7% in the prior quarter.
Net margin was 36.9% in Q1, a strong 6.1 point expansion from 30.8% in the prior quarter. Adjusted net margin was 52.4%, up from 49.6% in the prior quarter.
Adjusted EBITDA margin also expanded nearly 3 points sequentially to 67.6%, with adjusted EBITDA surpassing $10 billion for the first time in Q1 at $10.08 billion. This also marked a strong, consistent expansion from the high-59% range at the start of FY24 when VMWare’s integration was impacting margins. Q2’s adjusted EBITDA margin was guided at 66%, a slight sequential contraction.
EPS
Given the strong margin expansion in Q1, Broadcom delivered a strong GAAP EPS beat of 35.7%, while its adjusted EPS beat was smaller in nature at ~6%.
GAAP EPS of $1.14 beat estimates for $0.84.
Adjusted EPS of $1.60 beat estimates for $1.51, for growth of 45.5% YoY. This is expected to be peak growth for adjusted EPS in fiscal 2025, with estimates pointing to 37% growth in Q2 below ending the fiscal year at almost 23% growth.
Cash and Balance Sheet
Operating and free cash flow were both strong in Q1 due to the margin strength and revenue outperformance, with both recording a margin of >40%.
Operating cash flow was $6.11 billion, up 9% QoQ. OCF margin was 41%, improving from 39.9% last quarter.
Free cash flow was $6.01 billion, up almost 10% QoQ. FCF margin was 40.3%, improving from 39.0% last quarter.
Inventories were $1.91 billion, increasing more than 8% QoQ.
Cash and equivalents totaled $9.31 billion, while debt decreased $1 billion QoQ to $66.58 billion.
Earnings Call:
Market Opportunity:
The market opportunity for Broadcom is quite large – represented by SAM of $75B at the midpoint by 2028, up from a $16B run rate right now. An analyst asked a similar question in terms of chips and management reiterated their current forecast is with only three customers right now whereas two more are likely to go into volume production in the coming years.
Timothy Arcuri:
Thanks a lot. Hock, in the past, you have mentioned XPU units growing from about 2 million last year to about 7 million you said in the 2027, 2028 timeframe. My question is, do these four new customers, do they add to that 7 million unit number? I know in the past, you've sort of talked about an ASP of 20 grand by then. So those — the first three customers are clearly a subset of that 7 million units. So do these new four engagements drive that 7 higher, or do they just fill in to get to that 7 million? Thanks.
Hock Tan:
And thanks, Tim for asking that. To clarify, as I made — I thought I made it clear in my comments. No, the market we are talking about, including — when you translate the unit is only among the three customers we have today. The other four, we talk about engagement partners. We don't consider that as customers yet and, therefore, are not in a served available market.
China Exposure:
Management was asked how many of the hyperscalers were from China, but they declined to comment. This is a notable question given any hyperscaler from that region has a low chance of being unscathed over the next four years. There were reports earlier this week that Broadcom may be losing major customer ByteDance, for example.
Management stated “no comment” yet it’s important to note the concern.
Conclusion:
Broadcom is quality and will help us hedge any anti-Nvidia narratives – which are bound to come up from time to time. As far as quality goes, you cannot find a better pair in AI (NVDA-AVGO). These are the juggernauts and we want exposure to AVGO as its empire slowly expands. Don’t forget AVGO’s AI software opportunity, which we’ve expanded on in the past.
That’s officially a wrap for the I/O Fund earnings season!
Regarding the AI trade falling out of favor this quarter, don’t let the market fool you for one minute – investors have never had it so good as to be able to track and verify there are hundreds of billionshundreds of billions pouring into one trend. It’ll be volatile, and it’ll be scary – and then ultimately thrilling, but this trend is bursting at the seams with demand. Supply is not merely bottlenecked; it’s dammed at the flood gates. The supply issues will work themselves out, and the I/O Fund and our Members will be well-positioned when those flood gates open.
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Marvell reported in line results with Q4 revenue that grew by 27.4% YoY and 19.9% QoQ to $1.82 billion, beating estimates by 1.2%. Adjusted EPS grew by 30.4% YoY to $0.60, beating estimates by 1.6%.
Management guided Q1 revenue of $1.875 billion, representing a YoY growth of 61.5% YoY and 3.2% QoQ at the midpoint, beating estimates modestly by 0.3% and expects adjusted EPS to grow 154.2% YoY to $0.61, beating estimates by 1.7%.
The company’s margins have improved from negative GAAP operating margin (often double-digit negative) to 12.9% in the most recent report. The adjusted operating margin of 33.7% was flat but on higher revenue, resulting in adjusted EPS that grew 40% sequentially.
The market is going through a phase of AI capitulation. Our site is particularly helpful here as Knox sets out price targets months in advance on his webinar for AI stocks, offering two scenarios – a pullback scenario and a breakout scenario. The AI selloff is behaving according to the scenarios he set forth months ago.
But for now, it’s retail against the Street. The Street is confusing narratives, lowering price targets despite blowout earnings (those lowered price targets are 100% above the price in some cases), and more specifically to Marvell, stating Amazon Trainium revenue should have been higher. Management stated AI revenue was substantially above the $1.5 billion target for FY2025, and they expect to exceed the $2.5 billion target in FY2026 significantly. The overall revenue growth accelerated in the second half of the year, driven by the custom silicon program ramps along with continued strong growth in Electro-Optics. However, these numbers have not changed for a few quarters now (the above $1.5B and $2.5B) and I’m sure the Street wanted more in terms of a new number given the 5-year deal with Amazon, implying Trainium2.
Although Marvell’s quarter was not a blowout, with some readthroughs being the Amazon deal is not as strong as expected, inventory is up 20% QoQ compared to 3% QoQ revenue guide, and management stated they are in “significant volume production ahead.” Overall, I’ve seen supply taking longer this quarter, thus within the framework of what I’ve seen, Q4 reports and Q1 guides are an air pocket of sorts across the board. Ultimately, there is $300B in capex saying the air pocket will resolve in the (patient) AI investor’s favor.
Hopefully, the multi-dimensional approach we offer by combining fundamentals and technicals – not only for lower entries that are discussed months in advance but also going so far as to hedge up to 100% of our portfolio — has proven its value over the past few months. Marvell is the most over-sold its been in its history – that is what is meant by capitulation. A bounce in price is on the horizon.
Revenue growth Headed to 61.5% Next Quarter
The company’s Q4 revenue grew by 27.4% YoY and 19.9% QoQ to $1.82 billion, driven by strong AI demand, beating estimates by 1.2%.
Management guided Q1 revenue of $1.875 billion, representing a YoY growth of 61.5% YoY and 3.2% QoQ at the midpoint, beating estimates modestly by 0.3%
Analysts expect revenue to grow 55.9% YoY to $1.98 billion in Q2 and 39.1% YoY to $2.11 billion in Q3.
FY2025 revenue grew by 4.7% YoY to $5.77 billion.
Analysts expect FY2026 revenue to grow 42.3% YoY to $8.21 billion and 20.5% YoY to $9.89 billion in FY2027.
Margins – GAAP Profitable
The company exceeded its margin guidance in Q4, driven by operating leverage, and achieved GAAP profitability. Management expects GAAP profitability to continue during FY2026.
Q4 gross margin was 50.5% compared to 46.6% in the same period last year. Gross margin was slightly above the guidance of 50%. Management guide for Q1 is 50.5%.
Adjusted gross margin was 60.1% compared to 63.9% in the same period last year. Management guide for Q1 is 60%.
Q4 operating margin was 12.9% compared to (-2.3%) in the same period last year. It was above the guidance of 10.6%. Management guide for Q1 is 12.5%.
Adjusted operating margin was 33.7% compared to 33.8% in the same period last year. Managment guide for Q1 is 34%. Management expects strong operating leverage to continue in FY2026 and expects to make significant progress towards the long-term non-GAAP operating margin target of 38% to 40%.
Q4 net income was $200.2 million or 11% of revenue compared to a net loss of ($392.7 million) or (-27.5%) of revenue in the same period last year. Adjusted net income was $531.4 million or 29.2% of revenue compared to $401.6 million or 28.2% of revenue in the same period last year.
The difference in the GAAP net income and non-GAAP net income was due to stock-based compensation of $147.6 million or 8.1% of revenue and amortization of acquired intangible assets charge of $169.5 million or 9.3% of revenue.
Adj.EPS grew by 30.4% YoY and 39.5% QoQ
Q4 GAAP EPS was $0.23 compared to (-$0.45) in the same period last year. Q4 adjusted EPS grew by 30.4% YoY and 39.5% QoQ to $0.60 driven by operating leverage, beating estimates by 1.6%.
Management expects Q1 GAAP EPS of $0.19 and adjusted EPS to grow 154.2% YoY to $0.61, beating estimates by 1.7%.
Analysts expect Q2 adjusted EPS to grow 121.6% YoY to $0.66 and 69.5% YoY to $0.73 in Q3.
Analysts expect FY2026 adjusted EPS to grow 77.5% YoY to $2.79 and 31.8% YoY to $3.67 in FY2027.
Cash Flow and Balance Sheet
The company’s cash flow margin was lower due to the increase in inventories to support the strong expected growth.
Q4 operating cash flow margin was 28.3% compared to 38.3% in the same period last year.
Q4 free cash flow margin was 24.4% compared to 32.6% in the same period last year.
Cash was $948.3 million and debt of $4.06 billion compared to $868.1 million and $4.1 billion at the end of Q3.
The company paid $52 million in dividends and repurchased shares worth $200 million in Q4.
Management mentioned that they received an upgrade to investment grade credit rating from Fitch which is positive as it helps the company to refinance its high debt with better terms in the future. The company’s CFO Willem Meintjes said in the earnings call, “We were pleased to receive an upgrade to our investment grade credit rating from Fitch in January, citing their positive outlook on Marvell's strong operating momentum from robust data center demand, structurally improved leverage metrics, strong market position and strengthened cash flow profile.”
Inventories increased to $1.03 billion from $859 million in Q3, up 19.9% sequentially to support the strong expected growth.
Key Segments
Data Center 78% YOY and 24% QOQ
The company achieved record Q4 revenue of $1.37 billion, growing 78% YoY and 24% QoQ. The strong results were driven by the custom AI silicon programs ramping to high volume production. Additionally, the company also benefited from strong shipments of Electro-Optics products and Teralynx Ethernet switches with revenue from both product lines growing double-digits sequentially on a percentage basis. Management pointed toward the 800G PAM4 products as being the workhorse in its electro-optics products. Marvell is also at the leading edge of 1.6T PAM DSPs and will be first to introduce the 3nm 1.6T DSP with 200G per lane.
AI Revenue Commentary
Management mentioned that AI revenue was substantially above the $1.5 billion target for FY2025, and they expect to exceed the $2.5 billion target in fiscal 2026 significantly. The overall revenue growth accelerated in the second half of the year, driven by the custom silicon program ramps along with continued strong growth in Electro-Optics.
Here is what was said in the opening remarks:
“We ended the year with our AI revenue substantially above our $1.5 billion target from April 2024's AI Day and we also expect to very significantly exceed our $2.5 billion target in fiscal 2026.” It was later stated: “Last year, we had talked about $1.5 billion. We blew through that — this year, again, we anticipate being substantially above that. I'm not putting a number on it just yet. I think that there's a lot to go here in terms of the momentum in the business and the opportunity set in front of us. And so we're, right now, we're kind of keying off the last update we did, which was in the AI Day from last year and then we'll find the right appropriate time in the future.”
Carrier Infrastructure
Carrier Infrastructure Q4 revenue was down (-38%) YoY and up 25% QoQ to $105.8 million. Revenue accelerated from the (-73%) YoY decline and 12% sequential growth in Q3.
Enterprise Networking
Enterprise Networking Q4 revenue declined by (-35%) YoY and up 14% QoQ to $171.4 million. Revenue accelerated from a decline of (-44%) YoY and flat QoQ in Q3. The company witnessed continued recovery in both Carrier Infrastructure and Enterprise Networking with revenue collectively growing 18% sequentially. Management expects aggregate revenue from enterprise networking and carrier infrastructure to grow sequentially by approximately 10% in Q1.
Consumer End Market
Q4 Consumer End Market revenue declined by (-38%) YoY and (-8%) QoQ to $88.7 million. For Q1, due to seasonality in gaming demand to expected to drive a sequential decline of (35%) in the consumer end market. Over the next several years, management expects the consumer end market revenue to be approximately $300 million on an annual basis.
Automotive/Industrial
The automotive/industrial revenue grew by 4% YoY and 3% QoQ to $85.7 million in Q4. The management expects continued sequential growth in the automotive end market. However, this growth will be more than offset by a decline in revenue from the industrial end market, where order patterns can be lumpy in any given quarter. As a result, they expect the overall revenue from the auto and industrial end market to decline sequentially in the high-single-digits on a percentage basis for Q1.
China Revenue
Marvell has a high China revenue concentration. It constituted 43% of revenue in Q3 and 45% for the nine months ending Q3. There was no mention of China during the recent earnings call, and we need to wait for the 10-K report to know the latest percentage of revenue from China. The high revenue concentration is a concern, notably since the recent tariffs increased from 10% to 20%.
Earnings Call:
XPU Design Discussions (Likely Amazon)
Regarding the custom design projects, Marvell stated the following in the opening remarks: “Let me now turn to our current custom silicon programs. Marvell has successfully ramped highly complex 100 billion plus transistor XPUs and CPUs from initial samples to high volume production on first pass silicon […] As I mentioned, our two leading AI custom programs are in high volume production, and we expect growth to continue. One of these is a custom ARM CPU, which we expect we'll see expanding adoption in our customers' data centers. The second program is for a custom AI XPU, which is also performing extremely well with significant volume production ahead. In parallel, we are fully engaged with this customer on the follow-on generation of this XPU and planning for a production ramp once it completes its sampling and qualification cycles.As a result, we expect our revenue from custom XPUs for this customer to not only grow this year, fiscal 2026, but continue to grow next year fiscal 2027 and beyond.”
There is a second hyperscaler, perhaps Meta, with potential “to start production in calendar 2026.”
In the call, analysts asked more about the lead customer. From the Q&A discussions below, I did not have a readthrough that Marvell lost Amazon’s Trainium2 business:
Harlan Sur
Hey, good afternoon guys. Thanks for taking my question. Great to see that you captured the follow-on AI XPU program after your current XPU program, which is ramping now with your major cloud and hyperscale customer. Matt, just to clarify. So is the new follow-on XPU program, a training XPU as well? Is that a calendar '26 ramp? And is that at 5-nanometer or 3-nanometer? Any more color there would be helpful. And then for Willem, your inventories were up 20% sequentially, which in a strong demand and product cycle environment like typically implies strong future growth, but you compare that to the 3% sequential total revenue guide for April. There seems to be some disconnect. So the way to interpret this is that the 20% sequential growth in inventories is more reflective of the AI strong growth profile ahead for the team?
Matt Murphy
Yes, I'll start off, Harlan. So, yes, so couple of things. So again given the confidentiality wrapper we've got, here we go. The first is you should assume this is a — it's a very high volume program and it's a continuation of what we're doing. It on the — and you should assume just in general, on every next generation type of device, you're going to see no transitions and technology advancements as you go forward. So you should assume that. And then also on a timing perspective, all I can say there is we'll be ready to ramp when it's time, and we'll manage that transition. We're very confident in our ability to manage that transition successfully with our customer, but that timing is something that we're just going to have to see when that's ready and we'll time it around that. And I can't really comment on what my customer plans are in this kind of detail, they just don't like it, and I don't blame them. And I'll give — I'll let Willem take the inventory question. Thanks.
Note: the answer above is about the next program which management is reluctant to discuss due to confidentiality
While the above quote was clear that another analyst was not expressing concerns about the loss of the lead customer (quite the opposite), it was perhaps even more clear on management’s side in this fairly long exchange:
Ben Reitzes:
Hey, guys. Thanks for the question and thanks for the intermission there in the middle. That was a nice break. The question that I have is with regard to sequential growth, Matt, and then a long-term question. Did you clarify that AI revenue could grow sequentially through the year? And did — when Tim asked his question earlier? And if so what's your confidence? And then if you could just kind of step back also, Matt, a lot of noise due to the speculation around that customer and content there. But when you step back, you have a goal of $15 billion for the data center long-term by calendar year '28 are you seeing the progress in your custom business still to hit that number because nobody on the street is even close to that. Thanks.
Matt Murphy:
Yes, Ben, thanks for the questions. So, yes, on the assumptions through the year, yes, I didn't, I think what I said was in Q1 our data center business ex the on-prem stuff was going to be up double-digits, coming off of overall data center like 25% a quarter sequentially. So I didn't comment throughout the whole year, but you should just you should just assume. It's not a bad assumption, right, or would be a fair assumption to think that it's obviously going to continue given the strength in the business and the momentum that we're seeing and just from what we're looking at from a year-over-year perspective. On the long-term, I think we're tracking extremely well to our 20% market share number. When we look back to kind of calendar '23 and then '24 and '25 and you start bouncing it up against what we said at the AI day. I think it looks very favorable. We're definitely gaining share from '23 to '24 and we'll definitely gain more share from '24 to '25. And so to get to that revenue target, you got to get there both ways. You got to grow the share, right, from kind of 10%, let's call it to 20%. And then the market's got to develop, right, obviously. You got to get to the sort of $75 billion TAM, but both of those are trending in a very positive direction. In fact, certainly in '24 and even in '25 is just kind of big round numbers, it looks like both the market and our growth, if you just bounce it up against sort of what's the compounded growth rate you needed from '23 to '28, it's actually growing above that right now. So now when we're in ramp phase, but that's going to continue. So I think we're in very good shape in terms of where we're tracking from a market share perspective. And certainly, if the market, by the way, is bigger. I mean remember, we gave that point of view in April of last year. And the world has changed then since then in terms of the absolute CapEx that's being deployed, certainly, even in recent months, all of the various programs from all the different key players and the potential of what's out there, sovereign programs, government programs, programs from new entrants. So we just see this — we just see the — quite frankly the TAM and the opportunity for Marvell, if anything, being way larger than it was when we looked at it almost a year ago. So all those make me feel very good about the market size developing and then certainly our progression on the market share. And you're right, that would be, it'd be an absolute home run to get there. And that's what me and my team are absolutely driving in this company day in and day out is drive the market share and help create the market, help make the TAM happen and execute like crazy and do it in a very focused manner, which is also why we reorganized the company with a dedicated data center engineering and business group to drive it. So I think the setup is really good. Thanks.
Networking Opportunity Expands TAM
We’ve covered Marvell’s networking products in great detail for six years now in previous analysis – this one is the most current. It’s a toss up as to whether Marvell’s custom silicon or networking opportunity will end up being the bigger market in a few years' time.
What was most interesting was that management discussed networking being incremental TAM to what was discussed above on custom silicon.
“The key thing I want to stress to you and to the investors on the call is this is incremental TAM the scale-up opportunity. We flagged it a few different times is right for sort of a TAM expansion. And it looks like that's what's going to play out at some point here. So that is all incremental. That's not, hey, if that happens and all of a sudden, Marvell's DSP revenue goes down or something like the scale up and this type of connectivity that is a revenue upside, market upside type of opportunity. So that one, I think, is — we're very excited about.”
Conclusion:
Despite design companies being in Nvidia’s shadow, Marvell put up a decent report. The company started the year at a run rate of $4 billion-ish and is now on a $7.5 billion run rate. They stated 75% of their revenue is from data center (this includes AI and on-prem, etc). Each investor will need to decide for themselves if the commentary or fundamentals reflects a weaker lead customer (Amazon). That’s not my readthrough from this report.
However, Marvell has higher debt and higher China revenue than our other semis, and that’s why we aren’t buying the report. We prefer to build other positions with less risk in these two areas, while acknowledging Marvell remains a strong AI contender – for both custom silicon and networking.
With that said, Marvell has never been more over-sold (technicals-wise) and is due for a bounce. Here is the note I got from Knox this morning, he will elaborate more in today’s webinar:
“Marvell has been trading for over 25 years. In this period, we have only seen the current level of oversold conditions 3 other times – 7/9/02, 10/9/08, 8/2/10. The first 2 were toward the tail end of bear markets: the period in 2022 period was followed by a +50% rally, before turning lower, while the period in 2008 was followed by a +20% rally in a short amount of time before eventually finding a bottom. The third period was not during a bear market and led to a +50% rally over the span of 6 months, before turning lower.”
Royston Roche, Equity Analyst at the I/O Fund, contributed to this article.
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Credo reported a large beat and raise in Q3 ending in January, with revenue coming in more than 12% above estimates at $135 million for growth of 154.4% YoY and 87.4% QoQ. This is the most growth I can recall from any AI-related earnings report this quarter with an earnings season that wraps up this evening. Regardless of market volatility, Credo is communicating they are special. We’ve covered the product in the past here. Next quarter points to an acceleration in growth to 163.2% — which is especially impressive when you consider the company is seeing strong growth on the bottom line.
Gross margin exceeded management’s guidance at 63.6% while Credo’s strong operating leverage was visible as operating margin came in nearly 8 points ahead of guidance and improved more than 30 points sequentially.
Inventories and accounts receivable surged sequentially, supporting management’s comments that active electric cables (AECs) experienced the inflection point in growth management had expected in the third quarter. Interestingly, Credo’s margin profile is improving significantly despite it being in a strong ramp phase for its products, with GAAP operating and net margins both in the double-digit positives in Q3, a sharp contrast to double-digit negatives just one quarter prior.
Free cash flow was marginally negative this quarter at ($0.4) million due to the purchase of production equipment, plus the large inventory at $53.2 million. The company has $379 million in cash, and thus this isn’t too big of an issue.
Also, note that Credo had very high customer concentration this quarter with 86% of revenue from one customer (hinted to be Amazon) yet is ramping with other hyperscalers (likely Microsoft, xAI, Oracle). This means the company is agnostic, which is truly the best spot to be given they have both large custom silicon and merchant GPU customers.
Revenue
Credo reported revenue of $135.0 million in Q3, beating analyst estimates of $120.4 million. Revenue grew 154.4% YoY and 87.4% QoQ, driven by the inflection in active electric cables (AECs).
Here is what management stated about this outsized growth: “Regarding our AEC product line, as expected, our revenue surged in the third quarter, driven by our largest hyperscale customer. Compared to alternatives, the benefits of AECs have become clearer. More than ever, data centers are highly focused on back-end network reliability […] Our ZeroFlap AECs deliver more than 100 times better reliability than laser-based optical solutions. And as a result, we're seeing AECs replacing optics for rack-to-rack solutions for lengths up to seven meters. We continue to make significant progress with additional hyperscalers for our Ethernet AEC solutions. We've achieved volume production with three hyperscalers, and we're in qualification with two additional hyperscalers, expecting production in fiscal '26.”
For more information on Zero Flap AECs, read our previous analysis here.previous analysis here.
For Q4, Credo guided for revenue of $155 million to $165 million, or 163.2% YoY growth at midpoint, almost an 8 point sequential acceleration. This blew past estimates for $136.3 million for growth of 124.2% YoY. Analyst estimates for fiscal Q1 and Q2 2026 are likely to move higher following this result given that it came in nearly $25 million higher than estimates at midpoint.
For the full year, Credo is on track to generate $426.7 million, based on the midpoint of Q4, well ahead of estimates for $388.8 million and representing growth of 121.1% YoY.
To put how quickly Credo is ramping in perspective, Q3’s revenue was more than Q1 and Q2 combined. Additionally, at the midpoint of Q4’s guidance, Credo would be generating $295 million in Q3 and Q4 combined, or $50 million more than it generated in the four quarters prior.
Key Segments
Product Revenue rises 224% YoY
Credo’s product revenue accelerated significantly in Q3, rising nearly 224% YoY and more than 100% QoQ to $129.3 million. This is a sharp inflection from the 70% to 90% YoY growth seen in the prior three quarters.
For the nine months ending in January, product revenue was $247.7 million, up nearly 138% YoY. Based on Q4’s guidance and product revenue contribution, Credo is on track to potentially reach $400 million in product revenue for the full year.
As pointed out above, AECs and retimers are driving the revenue, yet there are other products that will contribute to the company’s ongoing growth. The founders come from Marvell, and there is overlap here with SerDes technology solutions, including PCIe5 (now) PCIe6 (next year) products incl retimers, which help to increase bandwidths from 50G per lane to 100G per lane to soon offer 200G per lane, including on active optic cables and transceivers. The goal is to corner both long-scale reach and very short-scale reach as architectures move toward scale up and scale out (this is discussed more below). Credo was also first to release a 800G PAM4 DSP for half-retimed modules with the idea these modules can reduce power by 40% compared to full-DSP modules.
Product Engineering Services: Product engineering services revenue declined nearly (78%) YoY and (42%) QoQ to $2.7 million.
IP Licensing: IP licensing revenue rose nearly 137% YoY and was flat QoQ at $3 million.
Margins Support a Blowout Report
Credo’s margin improvements are arguably more impressive than the large beat and raise on the top-line in Q3, as Credo reported double-digit positive GAAP margins down the line after reporting negative margins last quarter. When asked what was driving the margins, management stated it was due to scale: “Principally driven by scale. It's really as simple as that.”
Q3 GAAP gross margin was 63.6%, one full point above the high-end of guidance for 60.6% to 62.6%.
For Q4, management guided gross margin to be between 62.7% and 64.7%, or a marginal improvement sequentially at midpoint.
Q3 GAAP operating margin was 19.4%, a more than 30 point sequential improvement from (11.7%) in Q2 and well ahead of management’s guidance for an 11.9% margin. Adjusted operating margin was 31.4%, up nearly 20 points sequentially.
For Q4, management’s expense guidance implied GAAP operating margin would dip sequentially to 17.5%. Adjusted operating margin is implied to be 32.1%, a slight sequential improvement.
Q3 GAAP net margin was 21.7%, a more than 27 point sequential improvement from (5.9%) in Q2. Adjusted net margin was 33.6%, up more than 16 points sequentially.
This is a phenomenal improvement in operating and net margins in just one quarter, displaying Credo’s strong operating leverage as it enters its rapid ramp phase. Credo was able to deliver just north of $64 million QoQ growth in product revenue in Q3 while spending less than $6 million more in total operating expenses in the quarter. The strong performance in Q3 was also able to push GAAP operating margin into positive territory for the nine-month period, with GAAP operating income of $3.3 million for a margin of 1.3%.
EPS to See Triple Digit Growth
Credo reported GAAP EPS of $0.18 in Q3, ahead of estimates for $0.11. This was a notable improvement from a GAAP loss of ($0.03) per share last quarter, as net income rose substantially due to Credo’s operating leverage; Q3’s net income was $29.4 million versus a ($4.2 million) loss in Q2.
Adjusted EPS rose 525% YoY to $0.25, beating estimates for $0.18. Analysts are forecasting triple-digit growth in adjusted EPS to continue for the next three quarters.
Balance Sheet and Cash Flows
Credo’s inventories and accounts receivable both surged sequentially, while cash flows were negative as Credo is working to ramp production significantly.
Operating cash flow was $4.2 million, due to “working capital increases driven by the significant sequential product ramp.” Capex was $4.6 million, resulting in free cash flow of ($0.4) million due to purchasing equipment.
Inventories were $53.2 million in Q3, up more than 46% QoQ. Accounts receivable were $157.1 million, up more than 92% QoQ.
Cash and marketable securities totaled $379.2 million, while debt remained at zero.
Earnings Call:
High Customer Concentration (Likely Amazon)
Per our last write-up, Credo’s major customers are Microsoft and Amazon, with the third and fourth perhaps being Oracle or xAI as these two lesser-known names were mentioned in the previous earnings call. This quarter, customer concentration was quite high with one customer at 86%, and this drilled into during the Q&A. Management stated they will have 3-4 customers at 10% or greater revenue and the lead customer will be at 2/3 revenue as soon.
An analyst pointed out that due to the strength of this one customer, the other combined customers would be dropping from $48M in October to $19M in January.
Per the CFO's opening remarks: “As we shared last quarter, we had seven customers that contributed more than 5% of revenue. And going forward, we expect that three to four customers will be greater than 10% of revenue in the coming quarters and fiscal year, as additional hyperscalers ramp to more significant volumes, as Bill described.”
It seems management is implying the customer that surged was Amazon, and not Microsoft. This makes sense given what we know about the Trainium2 ramp. Notably, to be agnostic to both custom silicon and merchant GPUs is the cherry on the cake for a supplier.
Dan Fleming, CFO:
Yes. We've talked in the past about – actually Amazon is a great example. So our largest hyperscaler, if you look at their Q1 revenue, was $30 million. Then it went down a bit in Q2. Now it obviously surged in our Q3. Our internal expectation is probably be in the same ZIP code as to where they were in absolute dollar terms this – in Q3 or where they were in Q3. So if you look at that being what it is and knowing that we guided 19% sequentially up quarter-over-quarter into Q4 at the midpoint. That would imply that maybe they’re two-thirds of our revenue in Q4 would be what that math would apply.
Merchant GPUs (Likely) To be in Volume Production
By now, I hope my readers are well aware that the soft price action in Nvidia has nothing to do with China or DeepSeek. These are shallow narratives the media must quickly conjure up to fill a headline. We offered many before market open earnings reports on “what it could mean” that Nvidia suppliers were offering a muted Q1 starting on Feb 5th, followed by a more long-form analysis on the free side on Feb 25th.
Similar to myself, analysts would love nothing more than to get a green light from a supplier who is downwind from Nvidia. Amazon is a custom silicon project, and thus Credo’s report last night does not provide any evidence that Nvidia’s larger Blackwell systems (expected to drive more than 50% of revenue this year) are ramping in volume. If anything, it suggests the opposite if Amazon is at very high customer concentration while Microsoft, Oracle and/or xAI (the other three customers, presumably) are at a combined 14%.
On one hand, Credo stated the other three hyperscalers are in volume production – which is exactly what we want to hear as it not only verifies the larger Blackwell systems are moving along (since Credo is mainly a back-end networking growth opportunity) but also that Credo is qualified (as of now) to be in this stack in addition to the custom silicon from Amazon.
“Our ZeroFlap AECs deliver more than 100 times better reliability than laser-based optical solutions. And as a result, we're seeing AECs replacing optics for rack-to-rack solutions for lengths up to seven meters. We continue to make significant progress with additional hyperscalers for our Ethernet AEC solutions. We've achieved volume production with three hyperscalers, and we're in qualification with two additional hyperscalers, expecting production in fiscal '26.”
I put the word “likely” in parathesis because merchant GPUs were not specifically mentioned, yet the readthrough is that it’s Nvidia’s GPUs that Credo is providing the AECs to given these specific hyperscaler customers buildouts.
Scale Up, Scale Out Architectures (Total Addressable Market):
Scale up architectures refers to the increasing size of GPUs or AI accelerators per system. Prior to Blackwell, the maximum was eight, whereas the new architecture will be 36 or 72 GPU systems. Each new generation will likely attempt to increase size in which these systems scale up.
As we consider hypergrowth networking stocks like Credo, consider that its revenue today is mainly scale out (which refers to adding more systems, such as the 100,000 GPUs systems being built today). The total addressable market for Credo will expand considerably as we go into years (perhaps up to a decade) of the scale up trend driving forth major advancements in training first and foremost (with inference market too nascent to determine where it will end up in terms of its best and highest use across architectures.
The rack-level architectures that are scale up to 36 GPUs or 72GPUs this year will offer Credo a new opportunity to drive revenue. Per management: “Our Gen6 64 gig PAM4 AECs will deliver the same compelling benefits for AI scale-up networks as deployments move to rack scale architectures. Credo will demonstrate our PCIe AECs at Nvidia's GTC Show later this month.” It was also stated: “Existing customer wins and future opportunities here include 100 gig and 200 gig per lane applications for both traditional switching and increasingly for AI servers requiring retimers for scale-out networks. This year, Credo has entered the market for PCIe retimers used in scale-up networks.”
This was also stated: “We've talked about the volumes being larger than the scale-out network opportunities. So we really see this as a big new TAM. As the market moves from Gen-5 to Gen-6, we're talking about moving from 32 gig NRZ, which is really very old technology, and it is really not competitive if you compare it to the market leader from a bandwidth standpoint per lane.”
Conclusion:
Credo had an excellent earnings report and we are excited to build out this position further over the next few months. Suppliers who participate in both custom silicon and merchant GPUs are in an enviable position as it can remove lumpiness. Regarding lumpiness, Nvidia is not out of the weeds yet as the following analyst discussion foreshadows the delay we reported on is alive and well this quarter: “And the other combined customers would be dropping from $48M in October to $19M in January.” However, Credo’s comments the other hyperscalers are in volume production matches Nvidia’s commentary — and so hopefully we see a clearing of the selling pressure in the next 2-3 months. (And you know the IOF loves to buy low for the next leg up, so we are not stressing it – rather simply making sure our readers are well informed and not relying on the Street’s China tariffs and DeepSeek narratives, which are shallow narratives at best).
Credo's gross margin is one of the strongest I can recollect in the AI hardware space with an operating margin that exceeds many AI suppliers’ gross margin. The fact we are seeing revenue primarily from scale-out, while there is an equal opportunity (if not larger opportunity) for back-end networking with scale up for AI systems – and, the fact Credo plays in both arenas with custom silicon and GPUs — is the cherry on the cake.
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Compared to any other stock on Wall Street, Nvidia reported an exceptional quarter. Yet, Nvidia’s stock is competing with itself at this point, and when compared to previous Nvidia earnings reports, Q4 and Q1 represent a pause in the fireworks.
Nvidia reported $11 billion in Blackwell revenue, however, Huang finally admitted the NVL systems are in production (i.e., not shipping in volume). Rather, other SKUs are making up Blackwell revenue for now. According to a discussion with an analyst, Nvidia foresees NVL systems and the next generation Blackwell Ultra ramping “simultaneously” — which increases the pressure to deliver this fiscal year given there was a “couple months” delay with the NVL systems.
Fortunately, for the I/O Fund, we use technicals to reduce risk. When there is a change in story, even if it’s transitory by a quarter or two, we rely on technicals to protect our position while maximizing the upside. As you know, we are exposed to Nvidia — yet heavily exposed when you consider its ecosystem.
We also hold our management teams accountable, and not even Jensen Huang should get a free pass. Investors should have been provided more transparency on when the premier SKU will be shipping in volume, since it was originally slated for Q1. Below, I outline the reasons that H2 is likely to be the catalyst for the next leg higher, whereas Q1 may not have been enough to cause the stock to break out. With that said, semiconductors see intra-quarter news more frequently than software peers, and thus, this could change anytime.
Nvidia’s valuation remains very attractive. I stated on Fox yesterday that Nvidia and its suppliers are the best trade of the year – the question that remains is timing. If the NVL systems were shipping in volume, the supply chain would be on fire right now – is what I mean by timing. I also pointed out that investors do better when proxies participate – whether that’s suppliers providing a clear, green light or an ETF like SMH, which is 14% off ATHs.
I look at this and more below!
Revenue Beat/Raise (Again)
Nvidia beat consensus estimates by just $1.15 billion this quarter, its smallest beat of the last seven quarters, as it reported revenue of $39.33 billion, up 77.9% YoY and 12.1% QoQ. Management reported that Blackwell was witnessing the fastest product ramp in company history, delivering $11 billion in Blackwell revenue in Q4.
For FY25, Nvidia reported revenue growth of 114% YoY to $130.5 billion, marking a consecutive year of triple digit growth after revenue rose 126% YoY in FY24.
For Q1, Nvidia guided for revenue of $43 billion, +/- 2%, representing growth of 65.1% YoY and 9.3% QoQ at midpoint, slightly ahead of estimates for 61.2% YoY growth to $42 billion. As we had noted in our pre-earnings analysis, some analysts were looking for as much as $47 billion in revenue in Q1. On a sequential basis, Q1 is also estimated to see QoQ growth dip to the single-digit range at the midpoint of guidance, slowing nearly 3 points from Q4.
Margins to Improve H2
Margins are expected to contract sequentially in Q1 as Blackwell ramps, with management having stated in Q3 that gross margins were expected to dip to the low-70% level as Blackwell begins to ramp before returning to the mid-70% range.
Gross margins in Q4 were in-line with prior guidance, though operating margins came in ahead of guidance as Nvidia continued to benefit from strong operating leverage.
Q4 GAAP gross margin was 73%, contracting from 74.6% in Q3. For Q1, GAAP gross margin is expected to contract further to 70.6%.
Adjusted gross margin was 73.5% in Q4, down from 75% in Q3, with management guiding for another contraction to 71% in Q1.
Q4 GAAP operating margin was 61.1%, contracting from 62.3% in Q3. For Q1, GAAP operating margin is expected to drop below 60%, with management’s expense guidance implying a 58.5% margin.
Adjusted operating margin was 64.9% in Q4, down from 66.3% in Q3, with Q1 forecast to contract further to 62.6%.
Q4 GAAP net margin expanded slightly sequentially to 56.2%, though Q1’s net margin is implied to be 50.1% due to the QoQ gross and operating margin contractions.
For FY25, margins expanded on a YoY basis despite contracting in the back half of the year. FY25’s GAAP gross margin was 75%, up from 72.7% in FY24. GAAP operating margin expanded 8.3 points YoY to 62.4%, as GAAP operating income increased 147% YoY to $81.5 billion. GAAP net margin increased 7 points YoY to 55.9% with a similar 134% YoY rise in net income to $86.8 billion.
EPS
Q4 GAAP EPS increased 82% YoY to $0.89, beating estimates for $0.80. Adjusted EPS of $0.89 beat estimates for $0.85. Growth is expected to moderate to the ~50% range in the coming quarters, likely pressured by falling margins due to Blackwell’s ramp.
Q1 adjusted EPS is expected to rise 49.4% YoY to $0.91.
Q2 adjusted EPS is expected to rise 50.2% YoY to $1.02.
Cash Flows and Balance Sheet
Operating and free cash flows both decreased slightly sequentially, with management explaining that this was due to a “a higher accounts receivable balance due to shipment linearity and increased inventory to support our Blackwell product ramp.” Both inventories and accounts receivables showed strong QoQ growth.
Operating cash flow in Q4 was $16.63 billion, down from $17.63 billion in Q3. OCF margin was 42.2%, more than 8 points lower than Q3’s 50.3% margin. FY25’s operating cash flow was $64.09 billion, rising 128% YoY and representing a margin of 49.1%, up 3 points YoY.
Free cash flow was $15.52 billion in Q4, down from $16.79 billion in Q3. FCF margin was 39.5% in Q4, down from 47.9% in Q3. For FY25, free cash flow rose 125% YoY to $60.72 billion, for a margin of 46.5%, up 2.3 points YoY.
Cash and marketable securities totaled $43.21 billion, while debt totaled $8.46 billion.
Inventories, accounts receivable and purchase commitments all rose quite substantially on a sequential basis as Nvidia prepares to ramp Blackwell throughout the year.
Inventories rose nearly 32% QoQ to $10.08 billion, representing a sequential rise of $2.43 billion.
Accounts receivable rose $5.4 billion QoQ to $23.1 billion.
Purchase commitments and obligations for inventory and manufacturing capacity rose $1.9 billion QoQ to $30.8 billion.
Key Segments
Data Center
Data center revenue rose 93% YoY and 16% QoQ to $35.58 billion in Q4, driven primarily by GPUs as networking revenue was soft. Compute revenue rose 116% YoY and 18% QoQ to $32.56 billion in Q4, though Networking revenue declined (9%) YoY and (3%) QoQ to $3.02 billion.
Management noted that they “delivered $11.0 billion of Blackwell architecture revenue in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2025, the fastest product ramp in our company’s history,” driven by major CSPs which accounted for 50% of data center revenue. Q4 growth was also aided by sequential growth for the H200.
For Networking, Nvidia said that it is “transitioning from small NVLink 8 with Infiniband to large NVLink 72 with Spectrum X,” with growth in Ethernet and NVLink products related to the Grace Blackwell ramp.
For FY25, data center revenue rose 142% YoY to $115.2 billion, driven by a 162% YoY increase in Compute revenue to $102.2 billion, with Networking revenue rose just 51% YoY to $12.99 billion.
Other Segments
Gaming revenue declined (11%) YoY and (22%) QoQ to $2.54 billion, due to “limited supply for both Blackwell and Ada GPUs.” For FY25, gaming revenue rose 9% YoY to $11.35 billion.
Automotive revenue rose 103% YoY and 27% QoQ to $570 million, driven by self-driving platform sales. For FY25, automotive revenue rose 55% YoY to $1.69 billion.
Pro Viz revenue rose 10% YoY and 5% QoQ to $511 million, driven by a “continued ramp of Ada RTX GPU workstations for use cases such as generative AI-powered design, simulation, and engineering.” For FY25, Pro Viz revenue rose 21% YoY to $1.88 billion.
OEM and other revenue rose 40% YoY and 30% QoQ to $126 million. For FY25, OEM and other revenue rose 27% to $389 million.
Earnings Call:
NVL 72 Systems and Blackwell Ultra
Of the $200 billion in revenue expected this year, roughly $100 billion is expected to come from NVL systems which comes out to 30,000 to 35,000 racks at $3 million per rack. Given there is evidence of a delay, there was bound to be a question about this on the call. Overall, the answer helps to alleviate if the systems are ready yet (they have “ramped production” but not stated they were shipping in volume).
The remaining issue is if both Blackwell’s NVL systems and Blackwell Ultra (the next generation of GPUs) can ramp "simultaneously” (which was not the original road map). Perhaps these two can successfully ramp simultaneously, but it’s also important to acknowledge this was not the original plan. Personally, I think the hiccup discussed below should be explained more as to when the systems will ship in volume, since it was originally expected to be Q1. Judging by analyst estimates, the October quarter will see higher QoQ growth in terms of revenue at $5 billion compared to analyst estimates of $4 billion for the previous quarter.
Harlan Sur
Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Your next-generation Blackwell Ultra is set to launch in the second half of this year, in line with the team's annual product cadence. Jensen, can you help us understand the demand dynamics for Ultra given that you'll still be ramping the current generation Blackwell solutions? How do your customers and the supply chain also manage the simultaneous ramps of these two products? And — is the team still on track to execute Blackwell Ultra in the second half of this year?
Jensen Huang
Yes. Blackwell Ultra is second half. As you know, the first Blackwell was we had a hiccup that probably cost us a couple of months. We're fully recovered, of course. The team did an amazing job recovering and all of our supply chain partners and just so many people helped us recover at the speed of light. And so now we've successfully ramped production of Blackwell.
But that doesn't stop the next train. The next train is on an annual rhythm and Blackwell Ultra with new networking, new memories and of course, new processors, and all of that is coming online. We've have been working with all of our partners and customers, laying this out. They have all of the necessary information, and we'll work with everybody to do the proper transition. This time between Blackwell and Blackwell Ultra, the system architecture is exactly the same. It's a lot harder going from Hopper to Blackwell because we went from an NVLink 8 system to a NVLink 72-based system. So the chassis, the architecture of the system, the hardware, the power delivery, all of that had to change. This was quite a challenging transition.
But the next transition will slot right in Blackwell Ultra will slot right in. We've also already revealed and been working very closely with all of our partners on the click after that. And the click after that is called Vera Rubin and all of our partners are getting up to speed on the transition of that and so preparing for that transition. And again, we're going to provide a big, huge step-up. And so come to GTC, and I'll talk to you about Blackwell Ultra, Vera Rubin and then show you what we place after that. Really exciting new products, so to come to GTC piece.
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The $11 billion is likely coming from other SKUs as we pointed out in our pre-earnings analysis “There is certainly a scenario where Nvidia’s GPUs are in such high demand that other SKUs can help make up for a delay on the much-larger GB200 NVL systems.” The additional evidence of this is the QoQ decline in networking as these systems would certainly drive QoQ growth in networking, making the clear readthrough that other SKUs are driving the $11 billion.
When asked if there were bottle necks to consider with NVL 72 systems specifically, the CEO avoided discussing NVL72 systems and redirected to a more general discussion on the Grace Blackwell architecture. He also pointed toward single use cases that have “come online” rather than a “shipping in volume” discussion: “You've probably seen on the web, a fair number of celebrations about Grace Blackwell systems coming online and we have them, of course. We have a fairly large installation of Grace Blackwell goes for our own engineering and our own design teams and software teams. CoreWeave has now been quite public about the successful bring up of theirs. Microsoft has, of course, OpenAI has, and you're starting to see many come online. And so I think the answer to your question is nothing is easy about what we're doing, but we're doing great, and all of our partners are doing great.”
TAKEAWAY: The NVL 72 systems are probably not shipping in volume right now, but should be soon (if they’re in production). This will run close to Blackwell Ultra’s launch. Demand will not be an issue rather it’s unusual to see two generations ship this close to one another, and it will require a smooth supply chain
Custom Silicon Not a Threat for 4 Reasons
Concerns around timing of shipping for Blackwell SKUs will be transitory yet concerns with custom silicon are here to stay. Since the very first day of covering the AI story in 2018, I have been fielding concerns around custom silicon as Google’s TPUs were all the rage in 2018. It was actually expected at the time that Google’s TPUs would transition to merchant sales and directly compete with Nvidia. Nearly seven years later, that has not materialized.
Below, is how Jensen Huang describes the challenges around custom silicon. He points toward custom silicon being application specific whereas GPUs are more flexible (this part is key), the software layer, as well as the fact that a lot of custom silicon does not make it to full production. Because investors will be fielding this concern into the foreseeable future, I’ve noted the response and four reasons below:
General versus application specific: “NVIDIA's architecture is general whether you're — you've optimized for unaggressive models or diffusion-based models or vision-based models or multimodal models or text models. We're great in all of it […] And so by definition, we're much, much more general than narrow”
Nvidia is Everywhere: “So we're general, we're end-to-end, and we're everywhere. And because we're not in just one cloud, we're in every cloud, we could be on-prem. We could be in a robot. Our architecture is much more accessible and a great target initial target for anybody who's starting up a new company. And so we're everywhere.”
Performance: “And if our performance per watt is anywhere from 2x to 4x to 8x, which is not unusual, it translates directly to revenues. And so if you have a 100-megawatt data center, if the performance or the throughput in that 100-megawatt or the gigawatt data center is 4 times or 8 times higher, your revenues for that gigawatt data center is 8 times higher.”
What Nvidia Does is Hard – the Hardware and the Software is hard to replicate: “And the ecosystem that sits on top of our architecture is 10x more complex today than it was 2 years ago. And that's fairly obvious because the amount of software that the world is building on top of architecture is growing exponentially and AI is advancing very quickly. So bringing that whole ecosystem on top of multiple chips is hard.”
China Increases in Geo Mix for Q1
An analyst pointed out that China will be increasing in geographic mix for Q1.
Here is the concern from the analyst: “And I think there is a concern about whether U.S. can pick up the slack if there's regulations towards other geographies. And I was just wondering, as we go throughout the year, if this kind of surge in the U.S. continues and it's going to be — whether that's okay. And if that underlies your growth rate, how can you keep growing so fast with this mix shift towards the U.S.? Your guidance looks like China is probably up sequentially. So just wondering if you could go through that dynamic and maybe collect can weigh in.”
This may be a moot issue, as management stated: “China is approximately the same percentage as Q4 and as previous quarters. It's about half of what it was before the export control. But it's approximately the same in percentage” but noting the concern here that this analyst thinks USA may not be able to fully make up for a China loss if the trade war heats up. I think if the NVL systems are shipping in volume, it will not matter as China is primarily helping to make up for the lag in these systems right now for the next 1-2 quarters.
Conclusion:
You might be asking yourself — why is the I/O Fund so focused on something the rest of the market does not seem to care about? There are two reasons … $100 billion pointed at one SKU is unheard of. Consider the iPhone took a decade to get to that revenue. We will not lazily assume it’s coming until I get “all systems are a go” signs across the board. You can’t put $100 billion into production and ship in volume without a splash in the large supply chain that builds these AI systems. There was no splash (yet).
Secondly, we need Nvidia to break out of the range bound price it’s been in for 9 months (between $110 and $150). While many might be saying “whew, Nvidia beat/raised,” my stance is “where’s the catalyst that’s going to take this thing higher?” I had an answer for you a few months back – it was the NVL systems, which I stated would cause “fireworks.” To be range bound trading between $110 and $150 since May of 2024 is not exactly fireworks, and thus we need to look closely at whether Nvidia’s next move is to break out or break down. As stated, by being range bound, the valuation has become more attractive, and we are watching this piece closely. This is my number one reason for seeing a breakout above $150 right now (valuation).
While many investors will rightly hold Nvidia through ups/downs (you’ll see IOF hold for years to come), our firm is competing with the world’s best tech portfolios – which means complacency is not something you’ll see here. Our Members greatly benefit from our need to compete as we question everything – especially if we are overweight any specific outcome.
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Compared to any other stock on Wall Street, Nvidia reported an exceptional quarter. Yet, Nvidia’s stock is competing with itself at this point, and when compared to previous Nvidia earnings reports, Q4 and Q1 represent a pause in the fireworks.
Nvidia reported $11 billion in Blackwell revenue, however, Huang finally admitted the NVL systems are in production (i.e., not shipping in volume). Rather, other SKUs are making up Blackwell revenue for now. According to a discussion with an analyst, Nvidia foresees NVL systems and the next generation Blackwell Ultra ramping “simultaneously” — which increases the pressure to deliver this fiscal year given there was a “couple months” delay with the NVL systems.
Fortunately, for the I/O Fund, we use technicals to reduce risk. When there is a change in story, even if it’s transitory by a quarter or two, we rely on technicals to protect our position while maximizing the upside. As you know, we are exposed to Nvidia — yet heavily exposed when you consider its ecosystem.
We also hold our management teams accountable, and not even Jensen Huang should get a free pass. Investors should have been provided more transparency on when the premier SKU will be shipping in volume, since it was originally slated for Q1. Below, I outline the reasons that H2 is likely to be the catalyst for the next leg higher, whereas Q1 may not have been enough to cause the stock to break out. With that said, semiconductors see intra-quarter news more frequently than software peers, and thus, this could change anytime.
Nvidia’s valuation remains very attractive. I stated on Fox yesterday that Nvidia and its suppliers are the best trade of the year – the question that remains is timing. If the NVL systems were shipping in volume, the supply chain would be on fire right now – is what I mean by timing. I also pointed out that investors do better when proxies participate – whether that’s suppliers providing a clear, green light or an ETF like SMH, which is 14% off ATHs.
I look at this and more below!
Revenue Beat/Raise (Again)
Nvidia beat consensus estimates by just $1.15 billion this quarter, its smallest beat of the last seven quarters, as it reported revenue of $39.33 billion, up 77.9% YoY and 12.1% QoQ. Management reported that Blackwell was witnessing the fastest product ramp in company history, delivering $11 billion in Blackwell revenue in Q4.
For FY25, Nvidia reported revenue growth of 114% YoY to $130.5 billion, marking a consecutive year of triple digit growth after revenue rose 126% YoY in FY24.
For Q1, Nvidia guided for revenue of $43 billion, +/- 2%, representing growth of 65.1% YoY and 9.3% QoQ at midpoint, slightly ahead of estimates for 61.2% YoY growth to $42 billion. As we had noted in our pre-earnings analysis, some analysts were looking for as much as $47 billion in revenue in Q1. On a sequential basis, Q1 is also estimated to see QoQ growth dip to the single-digit range at the midpoint of guidance, slowing nearly 3 points from Q4.
Margins to Improve H2
Margins are expected to contract sequentially in Q1 as Blackwell ramps, with management having stated in Q3 that gross margins were expected to dip to the low-70% level as Blackwell begins to ramp before returning to the mid-70% range.
Gross margins in Q4 were in-line with prior guidance, though operating margins came in ahead of guidance as Nvidia continued to benefit from strong operating leverage.
Q4 GAAP gross margin was 73%, contracting from 74.6% in Q3. For Q1, GAAP gross margin is expected to contract further to 70.6%.
Adjusted gross margin was 73.5% in Q4, down from 75% in Q3, with management guiding for another contraction to 71% in Q1.
Q4 GAAP operating margin was 61.1%, contracting from 62.3% in Q3. For Q1, GAAP operating margin is expected to drop below 60%, with management’s expense guidance implying a 58.5% margin.
Adjusted operating margin was 64.9% in Q4, down from 66.3% in Q3, with Q1 forecast to contract further to 62.6%.
Q4 GAAP net margin expanded slightly sequentially to 56.2%, though Q1’s net margin is implied to be 50.1% due to the QoQ gross and operating margin contractions.
For FY25, margins expanded on a YoY basis despite contracting in the back half of the year. FY25’s GAAP gross margin was 75%, up from 72.7% in FY24. GAAP operating margin expanded 8.3 points YoY to 62.4%, as GAAP operating income increased 147% YoY to $81.5 billion. GAAP net margin increased 7 points YoY to 55.9% with a similar 134% YoY rise in net income to $86.8 billion.
EPS
Q4 GAAP EPS increased 82% YoY to $0.89, beating estimates for $0.80. Adjusted EPS of $0.89 beat estimates for $0.85. Growth is expected to moderate to the ~50% range in the coming quarters, likely pressured by falling margins due to Blackwell’s ramp.
Q1 adjusted EPS is expected to rise 49.4% YoY to $0.91.
Q2 adjusted EPS is expected to rise 50.2% YoY to $1.02.
Cash Flows and Balance Sheet
Operating and free cash flows both decreased slightly sequentially, with management explaining that this was due to a “a higher accounts receivable balance due to shipment linearity and increased inventory to support our Blackwell product ramp.” Both inventories and accounts receivables showed strong QoQ growth.
Operating cash flow in Q4 was $16.63 billion, down from $17.63 billion in Q3. OCF margin was 42.2%, more than 8 points lower than Q3’s 50.3% margin. FY25’s operating cash flow was $64.09 billion, rising 128% YoY and representing a margin of 49.1%, up 3 points YoY.
Free cash flow was $15.52 billion in Q4, down from $16.79 billion in Q3. FCF margin was 39.5% in Q4, down from 47.9% in Q3. For FY25, free cash flow rose 125% YoY to $60.72 billion, for a margin of 46.5%, up 2.3 points YoY.
Cash and marketable securities totaled $43.21 billion, while debt totaled $8.46 billion.
Inventories, accounts receivable and purchase commitments all rose quite substantially on a sequential basis as Nvidia prepares to ramp Blackwell throughout the year.
Inventories rose nearly 32% QoQ to $10.08 billion, representing a sequential rise of $2.43 billion.
Accounts receivable rose $5.4 billion QoQ to $23.1 billion.
Purchase commitments and obligations for inventory and manufacturing capacity rose $1.9 billion QoQ to $30.8 billion.
Key Segments
Data Center
Data center revenue rose 93% YoY and 16% QoQ to $35.58 billion in Q4, driven primarily by GPUs as networking revenue was soft. Compute revenue rose 116% YoY and 18% QoQ to $32.56 billion in Q4, though Networking revenue declined (9%) YoY and (3%) QoQ to $3.02 billion.
Management noted that they “delivered $11.0 billion of Blackwell architecture revenue in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2025, the fastest product ramp in our company’s history,” driven by major CSPs which accounted for 50% of data center revenue. Q4 growth was also aided by sequential growth for the H200.
For Networking, Nvidia said that it is “transitioning from small NVLink 8 with Infiniband to large NVLink 72 with Spectrum X,” with growth in Ethernet and NVLink products related to the Grace Blackwell ramp.
For FY25, data center revenue rose 142% YoY to $115.2 billion, driven by a 162% YoY increase in Compute revenue to $102.2 billion, with Networking revenue rose just 51% YoY to $12.99 billion.
Other Segments
Gaming revenue declined (11%) YoY and (22%) QoQ to $2.54 billion, due to “limited supply for both Blackwell and Ada GPUs.” For FY25, gaming revenue rose 9% YoY to $11.35 billion.
Automotive revenue rose 103% YoY and 27% QoQ to $570 million, driven by self-driving platform sales. For FY25, automotive revenue rose 55% YoY to $1.69 billion.
Pro Viz revenue rose 10% YoY and 5% QoQ to $511 million, driven by a “continued ramp of Ada RTX GPU workstations for use cases such as generative AI-powered design, simulation, and engineering.” For FY25, Pro Viz revenue rose 21% YoY to $1.88 billion.
OEM and other revenue rose 40% YoY and 30% QoQ to $126 million. For FY25, OEM and other revenue rose 27% to $389 million.
Earnings Call:
NVL 72 Systems and Blackwell Ultra
Of the $200 billion in revenue expected this year, roughly $100 billion is expected to come from NVL systems which comes out to 30,000 to 35,000 racks at $3 million per rack. Given there is evidence of a delay, there was bound to be a question about this on the call. Overall, the answer helps to alleviate if the systems are ready yet (they have “ramped production” but not stated they were shipping in volume).
The remaining issue is if both Blackwell’s NVL systems and Blackwell Ultra (the next generation of GPUs) can ramp "simultaneously” (which was not the original road map). Perhaps these two can successfully ramp simultaneously, but it’s also important to acknowledge this was not the original plan. Personally, I think the hiccup discussed below should be explained more as to when the systems will ship in volume, since it was originally expected to be Q1. Judging by analyst estimates, the October quarter will see higher QoQ growth in terms of revenue at $5 billion compared to analyst estimates of $4 billion for the previous quarter.
Harlan Sur
Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Your next-generation Blackwell Ultra is set to launch in the second half of this year, in line with the team's annual product cadence. Jensen, can you help us understand the demand dynamics for Ultra given that you'll still be ramping the current generation Blackwell solutions? How do your customers and the supply chain also manage the simultaneous ramps of these two products? And — is the team still on track to execute Blackwell Ultra in the second half of this year?
Jensen Huang
Yes. Blackwell Ultra is second half. As you know, the first Blackwell was we had a hiccup that probably cost us a couple of months. We're fully recovered, of course. The team did an amazing job recovering and all of our supply chain partners and just so many people helped us recover at the speed of light. And so now we've successfully ramped production of Blackwell.
But that doesn't stop the next train. The next train is on an annual rhythm and Blackwell Ultra with new networking, new memories and of course, new processors, and all of that is coming online. We've have been working with all of our partners and customers, laying this out. They have all of the necessary information, and we'll work with everybody to do the proper transition. This time between Blackwell and Blackwell Ultra, the system architecture is exactly the same. It's a lot harder going from Hopper to Blackwell because we went from an NVLink 8 system to a NVLink 72-based system. So the chassis, the architecture of the system, the hardware, the power delivery, all of that had to change. This was quite a challenging transition.
But the next transition will slot right in Blackwell Ultra will slot right in. We've also already revealed and been working very closely with all of our partners on the click after that. And the click after that is called Vera Rubin and all of our partners are getting up to speed on the transition of that and so preparing for that transition. And again, we're going to provide a big, huge step-up. And so come to GTC, and I'll talk to you about Blackwell Ultra, Vera Rubin and then show you what we place after that. Really exciting new products, so to come to GTC piece.
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The $11 billion is likely coming from other SKUs as we pointed out in our pre-earnings analysis “There is certainly a scenario where Nvidia’s GPUs are in such high demand that other SKUs can help make up for a delay on the much-larger GB200 NVL systems.” The additional evidence of this is the QoQ decline in networking as these systems would certainly drive QoQ growth in networking, making the clear readthrough that other SKUs are driving the $11 billion.
When asked if there were bottle necks to consider with NVL 72 systems specifically, the CEO avoided discussing NVL72 systems and redirected to a more general discussion on the Grace Blackwell architecture. He also pointed toward single use cases that have “come online” rather than a “shipping in volume” discussion: “You've probably seen on the web, a fair number of celebrations about Grace Blackwell systems coming online and we have them, of course. We have a fairly large installation of Grace Blackwell goes for our own engineering and our own design teams and software teams. CoreWeave has now been quite public about the successful bring up of theirs. Microsoft has, of course, OpenAI has, and you're starting to see many come online. And so I think the answer to your question is nothing is easy about what we're doing, but we're doing great, and all of our partners are doing great.”
TAKEAWAY: The NVL 72 systems are probably not shipping in volume right now, but should be soon (if they’re in production). This will run close to Blackwell Ultra’s launch. Demand will not be an issue rather it’s unusual to see two generations ship this close to one another, and it will require a smooth supply chain
Custom Silicon Not a Threat for 4 Reasons
Concerns around timing of shipping for Blackwell SKUs will be transitory yet concerns with custom silicon are here to stay. Since the very first day of covering the AI story in 2018, I have been fielding concerns around custom silicon as Google’s TPUs were all the rage in 2018. It was actually expected at the time that Google’s TPUs would transition to merchant sales and directly compete with Nvidia. Nearly seven years later, that has not materialized.
Below, is how Jensen Huang describes the challenges around custom silicon. He points toward custom silicon being application specific whereas GPUs are more flexible (this part is key), the software layer, as well as the fact that a lot of custom silicon does not make it to full production. Because investors will be fielding this concern into the foreseeable future, I’ve noted the response and four reasons below:
General versus application specific: “NVIDIA's architecture is general whether you're — you've optimized for unaggressive models or diffusion-based models or vision-based models or multimodal models or text models. We're great in all of it […] And so by definition, we're much, much more general than narrow”
Nvidia is Everywhere: “So we're general, we're end-to-end, and we're everywhere. And because we're not in just one cloud, we're in every cloud, we could be on-prem. We could be in a robot. Our architecture is much more accessible and a great target initial target for anybody who's starting up a new company. And so we're everywhere.”
Performance: “And if our performance per watt is anywhere from 2x to 4x to 8x, which is not unusual, it translates directly to revenues. And so if you have a 100-megawatt data center, if the performance or the throughput in that 100-megawatt or the gigawatt data center is 4 times or 8 times higher, your revenues for that gigawatt data center is 8 times higher.”
What Nvidia Does is Hard – the Hardware and the Software is hard to replicate: “And the ecosystem that sits on top of our architecture is 10x more complex today than it was 2 years ago. And that's fairly obvious because the amount of software that the world is building on top of architecture is growing exponentially and AI is advancing very quickly. So bringing that whole ecosystem on top of multiple chips is hard.”
China Increases in Geo Mix for Q1
An analyst pointed out that China will be increasing in geographic mix for Q1.
Here is the concern from the analyst: “And I think there is a concern about whether U.S. can pick up the slack if there's regulations towards other geographies. And I was just wondering, as we go throughout the year, if this kind of surge in the U.S. continues and it's going to be — whether that's okay. And if that underlies your growth rate, how can you keep growing so fast with this mix shift towards the U.S.? Your guidance looks like China is probably up sequentially. So just wondering if you could go through that dynamic and maybe collect can weigh in.”
This may be a moot issue, as management stated: “China is approximately the same percentage as Q4 and as previous quarters. It's about half of what it was before the export control. But it's approximately the same in percentage” but noting the concern here that this analyst thinks USA may not be able to fully make up for a China loss if the trade war heats up. I think if the NVL systems are shipping in volume, it will not matter as China is primarily helping to make up for the lag in these systems right now for the next 1-2 quarters.
Conclusion:
You might be asking yourself — why is the I/O Fund so focused on something the rest of the market does not seem to care about? There are two reasons … $100 billion pointed at one SKU is unheard of. Consider the iPhone took a decade to get to that revenue. We will not lazily assume it’s coming until I get “all systems are a go” signs across the board. You can’t put $100 billion into production and ship in volume without a splash in the large supply chain that builds these AI systems. There was no splash (yet).
Secondly, we need Nvidia to break out of the range bound price it’s been in for 9 months (between $110 and $150). While many might be saying “whew, Nvidia beat/raised,” my stance is “where’s the catalyst that’s going to take this thing higher?” I had an answer for you a few months back – it was the NVL systems, which I stated would cause “fireworks.” To be range bound trading between $110 and $150 since May of 2024 is not exactly fireworks, and thus we need to look closely at whether Nvidia’s next move is to break out or break down. As stated, by being range bound, the valuation has become more attractive, and we are watching this piece closely. This is my number one reason for seeing a breakout above $150 right now (valuation).
While many investors will rightly hold Nvidia through ups/downs (you’ll see IOF hold for years to come), our firm is competing with the world’s best tech portfolios – which means complacency is not something you’ll see here. Our Members greatly benefit from our need to compete as we question everything – especially if we are overweight any specific outcome.
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Nvidia will release its Q4 FY2025 results on 26th February after market close. Analysts expect Q4 revenue to grow 72.3% YoY to $38.1 billion and adjusted EPS to grow 63.8% YoY to $0.84. The company has a history of beating consensus estimates, at a minimum of $1 billion for six quarters.
Questions persist as from the supplier stocks listed below, Super Micro lowered guidancefrom a range of $26 billion to $30 billion, down to $23.5 billion to $25 billion on February 13th. Semtech pulled its $50 million floor guidance for AI revenue. AOSL’s Q1 missed. Regarding Astera’s raise for Q1, they called out custom silicon as driving Q1 revenue rather than merchant GPUs. Vertiv gave mixed results that were a hair lower than previous full year organic sales growth (at 16% instead of 17%). TSMC lowered guidance due to an earthquake.
With that said, analysts expect Super Micro revenue to grow 27% sequentially in Q2, which suggests more meaningful Blackwell revenue could begin to ramp in the June quarter. We will look for more information from Nvidia on Wed evening.
Revenue
Management guided Q4 revenue of $37.5 billion, representing YoY growth of 69.7% and 6.9% QoQ at midpoint. The Q4 growth is expected to be driven by continued demand for Hopper architecture and the initial ramp of Blackwell products. Management provided guidance during Q2 results to “ship several billions in Blackwell revenue” and provided an update during Q3 earnings call that “we are on track to exceed our previous Blackwell revenue estimate of several billion dollars as our visibility into supply continues to increase.”
UBS analyst Timothy Arcuri expects Blackwell’s revenue of $9 billion in Q4. He said, "We now see Blackwell revenue at ~$9B in Jan Q (vs. ~$5B previously and supply chain capacity able to support as much as $14B) but we believe Hopper is down in Jan," Arcuri added. "Net, we remain at ~$42B for FQ4 (Jan) (Data Center ~$38B) with FQ1 (April) still ~$47B."
Q3 revenue grew by 93.6% YoY to $35.08 billion, driven by strong Hopper revenue.
Analysts expect Q4 revenue to be $38.1 billion, representing YoY growth of 72.3% and QoQ growth of 8.6%
Q1 revenue consensus is $41.98 billion, for YoY growth of 61.2% and QoQ growth of 10.2%.
Looking at sequential growth, Q4 would represent the slowest QoQ growth for two consecutive quarters since Hopper’s ramp, which is to be expected given the new generation of GPUs are scheduled to ramp in H1 2025. We expressed concerns about the timing of Blackwell ramping, primarily based on what suppliers were saying in their most recent earnings reports.
Looking further out, analysts expect revenue to grow 51.7% YoY to $195.9 billion in FY2026 ending January 2026 and 21.4% YoY to $237.8 billion in FY2027.
Margins
Margins are also expected to be a focus during the upcoming earnings, as the Hopper ramp helped the company to improve its bottom line. However, the gross margins will drop for a couple of quarters during the initial ramp of Blackwell to the low-70s and increase to the mid-70s when Blackwell is fully ramped in the second half of the calendar year 2025. This was further clarified in the Q3 earnings call Q&A.
Q: Timothy Arcuri (Analyst)
“[…] And then Colette, you kind of talked about Blackwell bringing down gross margin to the low-70s as it ramps. So I guess if April is the crossover, is that the worst of the pressure on gross margin? So you're going to be kind of in the low-70s as soon as April. I'm just wondering if you can sort of shape that for us. Thanks.”
A: Colette Kress (CFO)
Sure. Let me first start with your question, Tim. Thank you regarding our gross margins, and we discussed our gross margins as we are ramping Blackwell in the very beginning and the many different configurations, the many different chips that we are bringing to market, we are going to focus on making sure we have the best experience for our customers as they stand that up. We will start growing into our gross margins, but we do believe those will be in the low 70s in that first part of the ramp. So you're correct, as you look at the quarters following after that, we will start increasing our gross margins and we hope to get to the mid-70s quite quickly as part of that ramp.”
Q: Vivek Arya (Analyst)
“Thanks for taking my question. Colette, just to clarify, do you think it's a fair assumption to think NVIDIA could recover to kind of mid-70s gross margin in the back half of calendar 2025? Just wanted to clarify that.”
A: Colette Kress (CFO)
“Okay. Vivek, thank you for the question. Let me clarify your question regarding gross margins. Could we reach the mid-70s in the second half of next year? And yes, I think it is reasonable assumption or a goal for us to do, but we'll just have to see how that mix of ramp goes. But yes, it is definitely possible.”
Q: Stacy Rasgon (Analyst)
Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Colette, I had a clarification and a question for you. The clarification, just when you say low-70s gross margins, is 73.5 count as low-70s, or do you have something else in mind?
Colette Kress (CFO)
“So first starting on your first question there, Stacy, regarding our gross margin and defined low. Low, of course, is below the mid, and let's say we might be at 71%, maybe about 72%, 72.5%, we're going to be in that range. We could be higher than that as well. We're just going to have to see how it comes through. We do want to make sure that we are ramping and continuing that improvement, the improvement in terms of our yields, the improvement in terms of the product as we go through the rest of the year. So we'll get up to the mid-70s by that point.”
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Q3 gross margin was 74.6% compared to 74% in the same period last year. Management’s guide for Q4 is 73%. The adjusted gross margin was 75% in Q3 for both periods and the management guide for the next quarter is 73.5%.
Q3’s operating margin was 62.3% compared to 57.5% in the same period last year with a guide of 60.2% for Q4. Adjusted gross margin was 66.3% compared to 63.8% in the same period last year and guide of 64.4% for Q4.
Q3's net margin was 55% compared to 51% in the same period last year and the guide for Q4 is 51.2%. Adjusted net margin was 57% in Q3 compared to 55.3% in the same period last year.
EPS
Q3 GAAP EPS grew by 110% YoY to $0.78, and adjusted EPS grew by 101.5% YoY to $0.81, driven by strong operating leverage. Analysts expect strong growth in the coming quarters. However, growth is expected to moderate in line with the revenue growth.
Analysts expect Q4 adjusted EPS to grow 63.8% YoY to $0.84 and 49% YoY to $0.91 in Q1.
Looking further out, analysts expect adjusted EPS to grow 50.3% YoY to $4.44 in FY2026 and 26.1% YoY to $5.60 in FY2027.
Cash Flows and Balance Sheet
Q3 cash flow remained strong, with operating and free cash flow margins both expanding sequentially and YoY.
Q3's operating cash flow margin was 50.3% compared to 40.5% in the same period last year.
Q3’s free cash flow margin was 47.9% compared to 38.9% in the same period last year.
Cash and marketable securities were $38.49 billion and debt of $8.46 billion compared to $34.8 billion and $8.46 billion at the end of Q2.
The company repurchased shares worth $11.0 billion and paid $245 million in dividends in Q3.
Key Metrics
Q3 data center revenue grew by 112% YoY and 17% QoQ to $30.77 billion, driven by strong Hopper revenue.
According to estimates from FactSet, the data center is expected to increase $2.6 billion sequentially to $33.37 billion compared to the $4.5 billion increase in Q3, which would mark the lowest sequential increase since the AI boom at the beginning of 2023. UBS analyst Timothy Arcuri is more bullish and expects Data Center revenue to be $38 billion with Blackwell’s revenue of $9 billion in Q4.
However, analysts are mixed with Mizuho’s Vijay Rakesh stating he is expecting a “more flattish” Q1 with data center revenue of $36.7 billion versus $37.4 billion consensus.
On the other hand, KeyBanc analyst believes that despite the supply chain constraints for GB200 servers it will be backfilled with HGX-based B200 servers with x86 head nodes. The same note points toward H2 being more likely GB200s: “Baird believes previously discussed delays for GB200 have not been related to demand but to data enter availability while architecture novelties have taken time to implement and optimize. Investors should not assume that these initial delays will lead customers to skip to the next-generation products, the firm contends. It expects GB200 to represent the majority of Nvidia's GB mix in the second half of 2025 and into 2026.” The analyst believes GB200s will be offset by B200 servers including the HGX-based servers and H20 GPUs from China.
Q3 gaming revenue increased 15% YoY and 14% QoQ to $3.28 billion, driven by GeForce RTX 40 Series and game console SoCs. Management expects gaming revenue to decline sequentially due to supply chain constraints.
Pro Viz revenue increased 17% YoY and 7% QoQ to $486 million, driven by the ramp up of RTX GPU workstations.
Automotive revenue increased 72% YoY and 30% QoQ to $449 million, driven by the ramp of Nvidia’s self-driving platform revenue.
OEM and other revenue increased 33% YoY and 10% QoQ to $97 million.
Valuation
The company is trading at a P/E ratio of 54.5 and a forward P/E ratio of 31.2.
The P/S ratio is 30.4 compared to the average P/S ratio of 25, the forward P/S ratio is 17.3. These valuations are very reasonable and typically present a buying opportunity as the company has been rapidly growing its top and bottom line.
Technical Analysis
By Knox Ridley
Since Nvidia bottomed on October 13th 2022, we have seen three distinct uptrends emerge. We are in the 3rd of these uptrends, and it is markedly different than the prior two. For one, unlike the first two, the uptrend that started in August of 2024 is relatively weak with a messy and overlapping structure. The prior two were nearly vertical. The second notable difference is that volume is weakening the higher price goes into the current uptrend. This is not like the prior two uptrends that saw volume expand with price. This signals that there is less excitement about the current move higher, as less buyers are supporting it.
If we examine the potential pattern the current uptrend is taking, there are only two that make sense, given the price action. Within the larger context of the uptrend, we are either setting up for the final 5th wave or a drop to complete the larger 4th wave.
If we zoom in, we can get a better idea of the levels to monitor that will signal what is likely playing out.
The Green Count – If this is a continuation of the larger uptrend, it is taking the form of an ending diagonal pattern. These patterns are the final swings in a larger 5 wave uptrend. They also tend to follow a powerful 3rd waves, which is what we saw with NVDA in 2024.
Ending diagonals are also a 5 wave patterns that have significant overlaps and are relatively weak. If this is the pattern in play, we will need to hold over the $119 – $123 support zone and then break above the $144 – $149 resistance zone. If this does happen, we will be in the 5th wave of this ending diagonal, which will target between $165 – $211. This will end the 5th wave and should lead to a notable retrace.
The Blue Count – Considering the messy and overlapping nature of this uptrend, there is a chance that this was a corrective bounce in an on-going correction that started in June of 2024. This would suggest that the B wave of this downtrend ended on January 7th with a double top. The final C wave drop should break below $123 – $119, and find support between $102 – $83.
Considering that Nvidia has been the market leader since 2023, and the most important name in the AI infrastructure cycle, how this stocks breaks will be very important to the bull market.
Conclusion:
Nvidia has an attractive valuation and is one of the few tech stocks in the market that does. Typically, we would buy here. However, the I/O Fund prefers to wait to see how the supplier commentary around Blackwell resolves before deciding next steps since we are particularly exposed to AI semis.
Our team has no doubt we will capture the next, powerful move higher in AI as we closely track key companies. However, given we our portfolio carries a higher beta profile, we tend to be more cautious on timing. With tech, you should not have to accept increased risk to buy – as the buys take care of themselves when a trend is in play and “all systems are a go.”
If Nvidia does well on Wednesday – great, we are clearly participating with a heavy allocation to AI semis. If Nvidia stumbles with a Q1 outlook, then we are prepared for that too and will hedge our AI semis. That’s all you can ask for as an investor – is to have a plan!
Lead Tech Analyst Beth Kindig and Equity Analyst Royston Roche contributed to this analysis.
Please note: The I/O Fund conducts research and draws conclusions for the company’s portfolio. We then share that information with our readers and offer real-time trade notifications. This is not a guarantee of a stock’s performance and it is not financial advice. Please consult your personal financial advisor before buying any stock in the companies mentioned in this analysis. Beth Kindig and the I/O Fund own shares in NVDA at the time of writing and may own stocks pictured in the charts.
Nvidia will release its Q4 FY2025 results on 26th February after market close. Analysts expect Q4 revenue to grow 72.3% YoY to $38.1 billion and adjusted EPS to grow 63.8% YoY to $0.84. The company has a history of beating consensus estimates, at a minimum of $1 billion for six quarters.
Questions persist as from the supplier stocks listed below, Super Micro lowered guidancefrom a range of $26 billion to $30 billion, down to $23.5 billion to $25 billion on February 13th. Semtech pulled its $50 million floor guidance for AI revenue. AOSL’s Q1 missed. Regarding Astera’s raise for Q1, they called out custom silicon as driving Q1 revenue rather than merchant GPUs. Vertiv gave mixed results that were a hair lower than previous full year organic sales growth (at 16% instead of 17%). TSMC lowered guidance due to an earthquake.
With that said, analysts expect Super Micro revenue to grow 27% sequentially in Q2, which suggests more meaningful Blackwell revenue could begin to ramp in the June quarter. We will look for more information from Nvidia on Wed evening.
Revenue
Management guided Q4 revenue of $37.5 billion, representing YoY growth of 69.7% and 6.9% QoQ at midpoint. The Q4 growth is expected to be driven by continued demand for Hopper architecture and the initial ramp of Blackwell products. Management provided guidance during Q2 results to “ship several billions in Blackwell revenue” and provided an update during Q3 earnings call that “we are on track to exceed our previous Blackwell revenue estimate of several billion dollars as our visibility into supply continues to increase.”
UBS analyst Timothy Arcuri expects Blackwell’s revenue of $9 billion in Q4. He said, "We now see Blackwell revenue at ~$9B in Jan Q (vs. ~$5B previously and supply chain capacity able to support as much as $14B) but we believe Hopper is down in Jan," Arcuri added. "Net, we remain at ~$42B for FQ4 (Jan) (Data Center ~$38B) with FQ1 (April) still ~$47B."
Q3 revenue grew by 93.6% YoY to $35.08 billion, driven by strong Hopper revenue.
Analysts expect Q4 revenue to be $38.1 billion, representing YoY growth of 72.3% and QoQ growth of 8.6%
Q1 revenue consensus is $41.98 billion, for YoY growth of 61.2% and QoQ growth of 10.2%.
Looking at sequential growth, Q4 would represent the slowest QoQ growth for two consecutive quarters since Hopper’s ramp, which is to be expected given the new generation of GPUs are scheduled to ramp in H1 2025. We expressed concerns about the timing of Blackwell ramping, primarily based on what suppliers were saying in their most recent earnings reports.
Looking further out, analysts expect revenue to grow 51.7% YoY to $195.9 billion in FY2026 ending January 2026 and 21.4% YoY to $237.8 billion in FY2027.
Margins
Margins are also expected to be a focus during the upcoming earnings, as the Hopper ramp helped the company to improve its bottom line. However, the gross margins will drop for a couple of quarters during the initial ramp of Blackwell to the low-70s and increase to the mid-70s when Blackwell is fully ramped in the second half of the calendar year 2025. This was further clarified in the Q3 earnings call Q&A.
Q: Timothy Arcuri (Analyst)
“[…] And then Colette, you kind of talked about Blackwell bringing down gross margin to the low-70s as it ramps. So I guess if April is the crossover, is that the worst of the pressure on gross margin? So you're going to be kind of in the low-70s as soon as April. I'm just wondering if you can sort of shape that for us. Thanks.”
A: Colette Kress (CFO)
Sure. Let me first start with your question, Tim. Thank you regarding our gross margins, and we discussed our gross margins as we are ramping Blackwell in the very beginning and the many different configurations, the many different chips that we are bringing to market, we are going to focus on making sure we have the best experience for our customers as they stand that up. We will start growing into our gross margins, but we do believe those will be in the low 70s in that first part of the ramp. So you're correct, as you look at the quarters following after that, we will start increasing our gross margins and we hope to get to the mid-70s quite quickly as part of that ramp.”
Q: Vivek Arya (Analyst)
“Thanks for taking my question. Colette, just to clarify, do you think it's a fair assumption to think NVIDIA could recover to kind of mid-70s gross margin in the back half of calendar 2025? Just wanted to clarify that.”
A: Colette Kress (CFO)
“Okay. Vivek, thank you for the question. Let me clarify your question regarding gross margins. Could we reach the mid-70s in the second half of next year? And yes, I think it is reasonable assumption or a goal for us to do, but we'll just have to see how that mix of ramp goes. But yes, it is definitely possible.”
Q: Stacy Rasgon (Analyst)
Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Colette, I had a clarification and a question for you. The clarification, just when you say low-70s gross margins, is 73.5 count as low-70s, or do you have something else in mind?
Colette Kress (CFO)
“So first starting on your first question there, Stacy, regarding our gross margin and defined low. Low, of course, is below the mid, and let's say we might be at 71%, maybe about 72%, 72.5%, we're going to be in that range. We could be higher than that as well. We're just going to have to see how it comes through. We do want to make sure that we are ramping and continuing that improvement, the improvement in terms of our yields, the improvement in terms of the product as we go through the rest of the year. So we'll get up to the mid-70s by that point.”
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Q3 gross margin was 74.6% compared to 74% in the same period last year. Management’s guide for Q4 is 73%. The adjusted gross margin was 75% in Q3 for both periods and the management guide for the next quarter is 73.5%.
Q3’s operating margin was 62.3% compared to 57.5% in the same period last year with a guide of 60.2% for Q4. Adjusted gross margin was 66.3% compared to 63.8% in the same period last year and guide of 64.4% for Q4.
Q3's net margin was 55% compared to 51% in the same period last year and the guide for Q4 is 51.2%. Adjusted net margin was 57% in Q3 compared to 55.3% in the same period last year.
EPS
Q3 GAAP EPS grew by 110% YoY to $0.78, and adjusted EPS grew by 101.5% YoY to $0.81, driven by strong operating leverage. Analysts expect strong growth in the coming quarters. However, growth is expected to moderate in line with the revenue growth.
Analysts expect Q4 adjusted EPS to grow 63.8% YoY to $0.84 and 49% YoY to $0.91 in Q1.
Looking further out, analysts expect adjusted EPS to grow 50.3% YoY to $4.44 in FY2026 and 26.1% YoY to $5.60 in FY2027.
Cash Flows and Balance Sheet
Q3 cash flow remained strong, with operating and free cash flow margins both expanding sequentially and YoY.
Q3's operating cash flow margin was 50.3% compared to 40.5% in the same period last year.
Q3’s free cash flow margin was 47.9% compared to 38.9% in the same period last year.
Cash and marketable securities were $38.49 billion and debt of $8.46 billion compared to $34.8 billion and $8.46 billion at the end of Q2.
The company repurchased shares worth $11.0 billion and paid $245 million in dividends in Q3.
Key Metrics
Q3 data center revenue grew by 112% YoY and 17% QoQ to $30.77 billion, driven by strong Hopper revenue.
According to estimates from FactSet, the data center is expected to increase $2.6 billion sequentially to $33.37 billion compared to the $4.5 billion increase in Q3, which would mark the lowest sequential increase since the AI boom at the beginning of 2023. UBS analyst Timothy Arcuri is more bullish and expects Data Center revenue to be $38 billion with Blackwell’s revenue of $9 billion in Q4.
However, analysts are mixed with Mizuho’s Vijay Rakesh stating he is expecting a “more flattish” Q1 with data center revenue of $36.7 billion versus $37.4 billion consensus.
On the other hand, KeyBanc analyst believes that despite the supply chain constraints for GB200 servers it will be backfilled with HGX-based B200 servers with x86 head nodes. The same note points toward H2 being more likely GB200s: “Baird believes previously discussed delays for GB200 have not been related to demand but to data enter availability while architecture novelties have taken time to implement and optimize. Investors should not assume that these initial delays will lead customers to skip to the next-generation products, the firm contends. It expects GB200 to represent the majority of Nvidia's GB mix in the second half of 2025 and into 2026.” The analyst believes GB200s will be offset by B200 servers including the HGX-based servers and H20 GPUs from China.
Q3 gaming revenue increased 15% YoY and 14% QoQ to $3.28 billion, driven by GeForce RTX 40 Series and game console SoCs. Management expects gaming revenue to decline sequentially due to supply chain constraints.
Pro Viz revenue increased 17% YoY and 7% QoQ to $486 million, driven by the ramp up of RTX GPU workstations.
Automotive revenue increased 72% YoY and 30% QoQ to $449 million, driven by the ramp of Nvidia’s self-driving platform revenue.
OEM and other revenue increased 33% YoY and 10% QoQ to $97 million.
Valuation
The company is trading at a P/E ratio of 54.5 and a forward P/E ratio of 31.2.
The P/S ratio is 30.4 compared to the average P/S ratio of 25, the forward P/S ratio is 17.3. These valuations are very reasonable and typically present a buying opportunity as the company has been rapidly growing its top and bottom line.
Technical Analysis
By Knox Ridley
Since Nvidia bottomed on October 13th 2022, we have seen three distinct uptrends emerge. We are in the 3rd of these uptrends, and it is markedly different than the prior two. For one, unlike the first two, the uptrend that started in August of 2024 is relatively weak with a messy and overlapping structure. The prior two were nearly vertical. The second notable difference is that volume is weakening the higher price goes into the current uptrend. This is not like the prior two uptrends that saw volume expand with price. This signals that there is less excitement about the current move higher, as less buyers are supporting it.
If we examine the potential pattern the current uptrend is taking, there are only two that make sense, given the price action. Within the larger context of the uptrend, we are either setting up for the final 5th wave or a drop to complete the larger 4th wave.
If we zoom in, we can get a better idea of the levels to monitor that will signal what is likely playing out.
The Green Count – If this is a continuation of the larger uptrend, it is taking the form of an ending diagonal pattern. These patterns are the final swings in a larger 5 wave uptrend. They also tend to follow a powerful 3rd waves, which is what we saw with NVDA in 2024.
Ending diagonals are also a 5 wave patterns that have significant overlaps and are relatively weak. If this is the pattern in play, we will need to hold over the $119 – $123 support zone and then break above the $144 – $149 resistance zone. If this does happen, we will be in the 5th wave of this ending diagonal, which will target between $165 – $211. This will end the 5th wave and should lead to a notable retrace.
The Blue Count – Considering the messy and overlapping nature of this uptrend, there is a chance that this was a corrective bounce in an on-going correction that started in June of 2024. This would suggest that the B wave of this downtrend ended on January 7th with a double top. The final C wave drop should break below $123 – $119, and find support between $102 – $83.
Considering that Nvidia has been the market leader since 2023, and the most important name in the AI infrastructure cycle, how this stocks breaks will be very important to the bull market.
Conclusion:
Nvidia has an attractive valuation and is one of the few tech stocks in the market that does. Typically, we would buy here. However, the I/O Fund prefers to wait to see how the supplier commentary around Blackwell resolves before deciding next steps since we are particularly exposed to AI semis.
Our team has no doubt we will capture the next, powerful move higher in AI as we closely track key companies. However, given we our portfolio carries a higher beta profile, we tend to be more cautious on timing. With tech, you should not have to accept increased risk to buy – as the buys take care of themselves when a trend is in play and “all systems are a go.”
If Nvidia does well on Wednesday – great, we are clearly participating with a heavy allocation to AI semis. If Nvidia stumbles with a Q1 outlook, then we are prepared for that too and will hedge our AI semis. That’s all you can ask for as an investor – is to have a plan!
Lead Tech Analyst Beth Kindig and Equity Analyst Royston Roche contributed to this analysis.
Please note: The I/O Fund conducts research and draws conclusions for the company’s portfolio. We then share that information with our readers and offer real-time trade notifications. This is not a guarantee of a stock’s performance and it is not financial advice. Please consult your personal financial advisor before buying any stock in the companies mentioned in this analysis. Beth Kindig and the I/O Fund own shares in NVDA at the time of writing and may own stocks pictured in the charts.
Vertiv reported exceptionally strong Q4 2024 results, but the midpoint guidance for Q1 2025 missed consensus estimates triggering a sell-off. The robust 25.8% YoY revenue growth and 77% YoY adjusted EPS growth in Q4 accented the drop-off into Q1 2025 revenue growth of 17.4% and adjusted EPS growth of 39.5%. Management stated that rather than a weak Q1, they had an “particularly strong” Q4.
Management now estimates 2025 sales at $9.2 billion at the midpoint—$75 million above November's guidance—even with a $125 million FX headwind. However, a $200 million Q4 revenue beat increased the revenue base, lowering full-year organic growth to 16% from 17%. Essentially, while absolute sales were higher, the beat diluted the year-over-year growth percentage compared to last year's forecast.
Perhaps a tad frustrating, management is contradicting itself by guiding for organic growth of 19% at the midpoint for Q1 but 16% growth for the fiscal year (i.e., slower growth later in the year) while also stating the following:
“Mark DelaneyGoldman Sachs Group, Inc.
You spoke a bit already on the 1Q revenue outlook as a percent of the full year guide, but I'm hoping you can provide some more details on your expectations for the shape of the year from a top line perspective, and specifically if Blackwell supply chain readiness or other supply chain factors are gaining the revenue growth in the first half. And then on that topic, in particular with supply chain readiness, have you seen any changes in delivery schedules as a result of that?
David FallonCFO
Yes. I can address the first part, Mark. If you look at the shape of the year from a top line perspective and really from a profitability perspective, just like prior years, we expect sequentially increases each quarter as we progress through the year.
From a percentage of the whole, similar to the first quarter, which is comparable, maybe a little bit higher than what we saw last year. We would see the cadence as a percentage of total sales each quarter in '25 to be similar to what we saw in 2024, and that's also the case as it relates to adjusted operating profit.”
How can that be – that on one hand, we have sequential increases each quarter as it progresses throughout the year yet we see Vertiv guiding lower as the year progresses? My hypothesis is that any effects from the Blackwell delay will peak in Q2 and that is what is not being revealed, as it’s not required to be at this moment (only Q1 is required). This aligns to the H2 and mid-summer discussions from other suppliers. I covered this yesterday here in the analysis “AI Hardware Suppliers Forecast Muted H1, Strong H2 – and What it Might Mean for Nvidia.”
Given we had Vertiv and Super Micro report recently, I expand more on this analysis below.
More Info on What Vertiv Results Could Mean for Nvidia (and SMCI)
As you know by now, our spidey senses are up due to suppliers not coming in with convincing QoQ growth, leading me to be believe the larger GB200 systems are delayed. Although there were rumors prior to a Q1 delay, I believe the actual issue delaying the systems is newer in nature as suppliers were on track over the past few months and it’s something more recent causing the new commentary.
Vertiv is especially sensitive to this outcome as these larger systems necessitate the power and thermal management technologies that VRT offers. Meaning, as I’ve collected the various commentary from suppliers, I was especially keen to hear Vertiv’s report as the company would have to reveal if the larger systems were shipping or not as a key supplier. Where I think the issue resides goes beyond the headline numbers and is found in the QoQ/YoY growth percentages.
Last year, Vertiv was down (12.1%) due to seasonal sequential growth from Q4-Q1. This year, Vertiv is down (16.9%) from Q4-Q1. That’s not convincing in terms of a major ramp being on time that necessitates Vertiv’s direct liquid cooling technologies. What’s even more interesting in terms of validating this theory is that Vertiv’s full year guidance slightly missed:
“2025 sales are projected to be approximately $9.2 billion at the midpoint, approximately $75 million higher than the implied sales guidance in November. And this increase is despite an estimated incremental $125 million foreign exchange headwind. So on an absolute dollar basis, organic sales are up approximately $200 million from our November outlook. Of course, our full year organic growth is lower on a percentage basis from what we presented a few months ago, 16% at the midpoint versus 17%. But this is primarily due to the significant $200 million top line beat in the fourth quarter.”
If these assumptions are correct, remember that Nvidia’s revenue will not come to a screeching halt. The B100s, B200s and leftover Hopper GPUs will continue to drive sales. Yet, it’s the GB200s that define the Blackwell generation, and if these systems are truly delayed (still need confirmation from the horse’s mouth), the risk remains to the downside for the stock.
To compare, Super Micro is less sensitive as they offer a mix of air cooled and liquid cooled systems. As you know, SMCI has been growing rapidly from the Hopper generation, and thus, is not as dependent on Blackwell’s GB200s ramping. However, there are clues that SMCI is aligned with these assumptions as the company stated the following:
“Moving on to our technology progress, we are excited to announce that our NVIDIA Blackwell products are shipping now. We have begun volume shipments of both air-cooled 10U and liquid-cooled 4U NVIDIA B200 HGX systems. Meanwhile our NVIDIA GB200 NVL72 racks are fully ready as well.” – Super Micro CEO, Charles Liang
There was additional information that implies timing is off than previously expected on the GB200s, in the most recent quarter: “And especially talking about liquid cooling, we believe DLC or overall liquid cooling, market share, will grow all the way to 30% or even more in the next 12 months.” This is a change in tone as it was previously stated DLC would be 30% of market share in 12 months in the August call (six months ago): “we are targeting 25% to 30% of the new global data center deployments to use DLC solutions in the next 12 months.” – the original statement was implying H1 of 2025 but would now be implying H2 2025. This is important because, same as above with Vertiv, DLC is closely tied to the bigger GB200 systems.
These are subtleties that quant systems won’t be able to pick up on, but as someone who follows the AI market very closely from an investor’s POV, there is a marked change of tone in terms of the time on when the systems will be delivered. These management teams are being subtle to not get in the crosshairs with Nvidia while complying to SEC regulations around their guidance.
What if I’m wrong? I’m open to that. However, I don’t have one management team giving the green light on the GB200 systems, and these earnings reports and management commentary is only increasing in number.
I provide more information on Vertiv specifically in the Q&A below.
Vertiv Revenue Growth Driven by Hyperscale and Colocation Data Center Market
As stated, the weak price action is from a weaker Q1 and the nominal fiscal year guide miss, yet it’s understandable the market has jitters over a confirmed Blackwell supplier not being able to meet estimates. Equally understandable about the weak price action is the roughly 18% guide on fiscal year revenue compared to the 17.5% guide for Q1, implying little room for upside as we continue into the year. As stated, organic growth also illustrates a similar problem – Q1 at 19% midpoint compared to FY at 16% midpoint implies a weaker Q2 perhaps.
Q4 revenue grew by 25.8% YoY and 6.4% QoQ to $2.346 billion, compared to Q3 revenue growth of 19% YoY and 6.18% QoQ to $2.074 billion.
Q4 revenue of $2.346 billion beat consensus estimates for $2.16 billion by 8.61%, compared to Q3 revenue of $2.074 billion, beating consensus estimates for $1.92 billion by 4.79%.
Organic sales grew 27.1% YoY compared to 19.2% YoY in Q3. Revenue strength was driven by the hyperscale and colocation data center market. The pipeline increased sequentially, reflecting strength in data center project activity.
Vertiv had a significant number of new product launches in Q4, but customers wanted products ASAP resulting in overdelivering the top line by $200 million higher than midpoint guidance contributing to the particularly strong Q4.
Management’s Q1 2025 revenue guide is $1.900 billion to $1.950 billion, with a midpoint at $1.925 billion representing YoY growth of 17.44%, beating estimates by 0.26%.
Regional Segment Revenue Growth will Slow for EMEA
Vertiv collects its revenues from three geographical regions.
The Americas generates the bulk of the orders, followed by APAC (primarily India) and EMEA. Americas generated 23.2% sales and 25% YoY organic sales growth driven by strong demand in colocation and hyperscale market with strong contribution from switchgear, busway, liquid cooling and services.
APAC generated 26.4% sales and 27% YoY organic sales growth driven by continued recovery in China and strong market growth in India.
EMEA generated 31.6% sales and 33% YOY organic sales driven by demand from colocation and hyperscale markets across switchgear, chillers, modular solutions and services. The Americas trailing twelve-month order growth has surpassed 50%. Vertiv noted that Q1 growth forecasts for Americas is low 20s, APAC in mid-20s and EMEA trimmed to high single-digits, down from low high-teens, due to the timing of projects being pushed forward in 2025, and more challenging comparables.
Seasonally Weak Q1 Margin is Up 170 bps YoY
Adjusted operating margin rose 383 bps YoY to 21.5%, marking the fourth consecutive quarter of margin improvement. Adjusted operating profit was $504.3 million, firmly beating management’s earlier guide of $427 million to $447 million. Margin improvement was driven by improved variable contribution margin and lower fixed costs as a percentage of sales. Management is guiding Q1 2025 adjusted operating income of $315 million to $335 million with a midpoint of $325 million, which equates to a 16.9% adjusted operating margin.
Adjusted EPS Guidance Missed Consensus Estimates as Growth Slips
Q4 adjusted EPS rose 76.79% YoY to $0.99, beating consensus estimates for $0.82 by 20.73%. Adjusted operating profit is primarily driven by volume, commercial execution and productivity, partially offset by higher OPEX investment in growth capacity and ERD.
However, management guided Q1 2025 adjusted EPS range of $0.57 to $0.63, midpoint of $0.60, falling short of the consensus estimates of $0.64. This implies a 39.53% YoY growth rate at the midpoint versus consensus analyst estimates for 48.1%.
Steady Cash Flow as Debt Remains Flat But Net Leverage Improves to 1X
Q4 operating cash flow reached its highest levels in five quarters at $425.2 million. The operating cash flow percentage has remained steady between 19.4% to 18.1% for the past three quarters. Adjusted free cash flow rose to its highest level in six quarters to $361.8 million. Debt remained flat throughout 2024 closing the year at $2.93 billion, down from $2,934 billion in Q1, however net leverage has improved from 2.2X to 1X in the same period.
Vertiv generated over $1.1 billion in adjusted free cash flow in 2024, translating into a conversion of 103% after converting 114% last year. Adjusted free cash flow for Q1 2025 is expected to be higher YoY than Q1 2024.
Backlog Peaked in Q3 as Book-to-Bill Has Been Falling Since Q1 2024
The backlog grew steadily for the past five quarters until Q4 when it dropped to 30% YoY and (2.7%) QoQ. However, the book-to-bill ratio peaked at 1.5X in Q1, dropping to 1.4X in Q2, 1.1X in Q3 and 1X in Q4. This may be due to seasonal normalization. Management stated that orders are historically “always lumpy”. The backlog to sales ratio is 78%, up from 69% in the prior year relative to 2024 actual sales.
While quarterly book-to-bill ratio has declined from 1.5X to 1X in2024, Vertiv’s trailing twelve-month organic orders are still up 30% YoY in Q4. Backlog growth trailed off in Q4 to 30% YoY down (2.4%) sequentially but still stand at $7.2 billion.
Valuation
Vertiv trades at a P/E of 76.59, forward P/E of 32.16.
The price/sales (P/S) ratio is 5.88, forward P/S is 4.66 vs five-year avg P/S of 6.5.
The price-to-free cash flow ratio is 41.05
Debt-to-equity is 1.61.
Earnings Call:
Weak Q1 Questioned by Analysts:
Management defended Q1 by saying: “Now of course, Q4 was particularly strong. So we should not look at Q1 as a quarter-to-quarter, really look at the first quarter sales as the acceleration that has taken place. With a 19% organic growth in the first quarter, I feel very, very good about what that tells us about our overall trajectory” and also “it's actually higher than what we actually saw in 2024. So I would say there's actually a step-up in '25 versus the first quarter of last year, so certainly reflective in the 19% sales growth versus the 16% full year sales growth and then also a 31% increase in adjusted operating profit.”
However, I agree with the analyst sentiment that it doesn’t check out exactly. Per I/O Fund numbers, management is contradicting itself by guiding for organic growth of 19% at the midpoint for Q1 but 16% growth for the fiscal year (i.e., slower growth later in the year). Additionally, the QoQ/YoY has to be looked at which is lower than what typical seasonality would account for, as our numbers indicate Vertiv was down (12.1%) due to seasonal sequential growth from Q4-Q1. This year, Vertiv is down (16.9%) from Q4-Q1.
Here was one Q&A exchange that voiced these concerns.
Steve Tusa
Okay. And then just one follow-up for me. Obviously, there's a lot of focus on orders, I think, for good reason. Everybody's trying to discern the trend relative to these CapEx numbers, the pipelines that are obviously pretty eye-popping. You're now two quarters step down relative to what we see at your customers and the way they're spending in these pipelines. What is that disconnect?
Is there some sort of disconnect between you guys and everybody else talking about doubling their data center businesses? I admit, obviously, that's a lower base for some of these guys. But what is that disconnect between you and your customer spending that seems to have opened up here over the last two quarters?
Giordano Albertazzi
I don't think there is a disconnect, quite honestly. If you look at our orders trajectory last year, if you think about a 60% year-on-year growth in the first half of the last year, that's a lot of growth. When our customers talk about their CapEx, of course, they also talk about a lot of the silicon part of their CapEx, not all the data centers. So, I feel pretty good about our visibility of the market and what we win in the market. So, I don't think there is a disconnect.
Additional Q&A Points: Robust Colocation and Hyperscale Markets
Chairman David Cote noted that Vertiv’s stock price has been very volatile on the news, as shares surged higher on Stargate news and fell excessively on Deep Seek news, which was actually good news for them.
“I'd have to say, over the last two or three months, we've been actually quite surprised to see the overreactions to any kind of news in our stock, whether it was the Stargate up the Deep Seek, big crush downward, which made no sense, given that the news implying lower cost to compute, meaning More data, meaning more data centers, meaning more verdict was actually good, not negative.”
Furthermore, Cote also took a jab at the analysts for being overly critical in reaction to the orders data in the Q4 earnings release.
“Again, orders are quite strong for us, but if you take a look at orders historically, they're always lumpy. They're just the way it is. It's just the lumpy quarter to quarter, and it seems to be masking the really good news we had in the fourth quarter regarding America's orders, especially as you look at hyper and colo, which is a focus for everyone extraordinarily strong.”
Vertiv had a significant number of new product launches in Q4, but customers wanted products ASAP resulting in overdelivering the top line by $200 million higher than midpoint guidance. Broad economic uncertainty entering 2025 in China, cautiously optimistic. Markets remain robust and have good visibility into the future. CEO Albertazzi is more confident in its five-year outlook than ever before. He stated:
“We believe our strong backlog and new product pipeline sets up very well for many years, as Dave noted in his remark, we have heard consistently also from the largest hyperscalers, that likely compute and LLM efficiency should drive more AI adoption. Most of these hyperscalers have confirmed significant increases in their capex span to support AI. This means large investments in data center builds that need our equipment and services.”
“In 2024 we expanded and strengthened our supply base and manufacturing footprint in the United States as part of our overall capacity strategy with the customer demand we see in the US. Vertical operating system is truly becoming part of the culture that is translating into tangible productivity gains, it is also liberating capacity needed to support the strong demand trajectory in combination with our ongoing footprint expansion.”
Management was adamant in making the point that they are a leader in power management. The system matters more than ever with the increasing densification of enabling AI data centers. Vertiv sees more opportunities to further integrate power conversion, distribution and thermal management in ways to simplify critical mechanical and electric infrastructure.
“Power Management represents approximately 1/3 of our total business, and we have been in this market for decades, at global scale, when we engage with our customers on their system designs, our full view of the power system enables us to help them properly scope the solution and right side each element of the infrastructure, we offer an holistic view of the total infrastructure and have access To and engagement with customers regarding their full facility design and challenges. Our visibility into the future of the IT load and our leading R and D allow us to partner with our customers to make their infrastructure, very importantly, future proof.”
Vertiv makes technology-based acquisitions early in the maturity curve that reinforce organic process and scale globally. For example, the BSC acquisition announced in December has high efficiency and capacity centrifugal chiller and heat reuse technology, which is increasingly being used to support high density compute application.
Conclusion:
The word “disconnect” used by the JPM analyst is a great word, as there is certainly a disconnect between what we’ve seen from Big Tech capex being raised to unprecedented levels nearing $300 billion, yet many suppliers including Vertiv are forecasting a muted Q1. Equally as questionable right now is Q2 as the suppliers we track closely seem to be in unison between the H2, mid-summer commentary. Vertiv did not say this directly, yet their guide implies something hidden in the middle of Q1 and FY. I’m guessing it’s Q2 and will keep you in the loop as we go along.
Should this happen, you can expect the news and pundits to stir up custom silicon eating into Nvidia’s GPU market share narratives, commoditization of hardware narratives as Nvidia isn’t that great after all, etcetera. The DeepSeek reaction is a warm-up to how fast sentiment can turn on a stock. Yet, any delays from Nvidia’s Blackwell systems aren’t going to matter in the long run – we know this capex is pointed straight at Nvidia and a handful of suppliers. It won’t even matter this time next year. Our plan is to load up at lower prices. If we trim, it will be nominal (you know we like to trim and get stocks lower, it’s our style). This was generally outlined for you here. You can expect more actionable information in the webinar tomorrow as well as through trade alerts.
I/O Fund Equity Analyst, Jea Yu, contributed to this analysis
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We’ve heard from a handful of management teams that are direct suppliers to Blackwell over the last four business days, and the tone has shifted to more of a H2 discussion for rack-level systems. There are a few possibilities for this shift in tone, such as these specific suppliers are falling out of favor with Nvidia, but given that a variety of suppliers are echoing one another, it’s more likely that Nvidia’s GB200s are not completely on time to ramp in volume for Q1 and at least for part of Q2 as “mid-summer” and “H2” has come up repeatedly.
This is not a prediction, as reading tea leaves or a crystal ball is not the service we offer. What we offer is analysis – a way of connecting the dots to make more informed decisions. Right now, according to our analysis and earnings calls, the risk to the downside has increased that Nvidia is not shipping on time for the more complex GPU systems. Should the analysis play out, it simply means we will get Nvidia’s stock lower for the next leg higher.
The comments offered below are subtleties, as the last thing a supplier wants to do is get in the crosshairs of Nvidia. Yet, we’ve had a handful of suppliers’ report, and I’m struggling to find the expected strong commentary for the March quarter and there is also an absence of strong commentary for the June quarter (as it currently stands).
I’ve been on back-to-back earnings calls and offer the following excerpts in terms of this conclusion.
Astera Labs: Aries PCIe Gen 6 Tone Changed
It makes sense to start with Astera because they were the most direct in terms of discussing merchant GPUs (i.e., Nvidia) not being the driver for Q1.
Astera stated they are shipping pre-production quantities for its Scorpio P Series and Aries PCIe Gen 6 solutions to maximize GPU throughput. The company stated: “These programs are driving higher dollar content opportunities for Astera Labs on a full rack and full accelerator basis and we expect volume deployments to begin in the second half of this year.”
What this comment implies is both the Scorpio P Series and PCIe Gen 6 will deploy in H2, yet originally, PCIe 6.0 was expected to ramp with support initially offered in the GB200s. Back in March, Astera demo’ed PCIe 6.0 for a wide range of Blackwell products.
There was also indication back in the August call that Gen 6 was confirmed to be used in Blackwell’s GB200, and there were initial shipments: “We have started shipping initial quantities of preproduction orders of our PCIe Gen 6 solution, Aries 6. We ship and support our hyperscaler customers initial program developments that are based on Nvidia's Blackwell platform, including GB200.”
There was further confirmation in the November call that preproduction volumes were shipping: “At the recent 2024 OCP Global Summit, we demonstrated the industry's first PCIe Gen 6 fabric switch, which is currently shipping in preproduction volumes for AI platforms.”
As Nvidia investors, we keep a close eye on these suppliers as they often can flag any issues with unparalleled accuracy. Given we are nose-down on many earnings reports over the past year regarding Nvidia’s AI systems specifically, there’s a notable change in tone for Astera to go from preproduction volumes to now shipping in volume in H2.
The following was discussed in the Q&A section:
“Now, if you look into 2025, we see both contributing growth. The first half of the year will be more predominantly the AI – internal AI accelerator programs. But if you get into the back half of the year, the transition on the merchant GPUs will also be very strong for us. This is where you'll see the custom rack configurations start to deploy and that’s where we see a big dollar increase in our contemporary GPU with Scorpio starting to ramp.”
On one hand this is a positive, but on the other hand, it raises questions as to why merchant GPUs (Nvidia) will be stronger in the back half of the year as this does not match the anticipated timing originally described by Nvidia’s management team with the CEO stating, “Blackwell production is in full steam. I think we're in great shape with respect to the Blackwell ramp at this point.”
There could be an argument made it’s unique to Astera Labs, yet we have seen something similar echoed across a few management teams recently.
Thomas O'Malley Barclays Bank
Super helpful. And then my follow-up was just — I think it was Mike's commentary on one of the first questions here on the call. You talked about kind of the year 2025 on the Aries side, talking about how in the first half of the year, you would see more internal AI efforts followed by the second half of the year being more merchant GPU. That comment was a bit surprising to me given we're going through a big product transition now at the large customer of yours. So is there any change in the way that you see the ramp of 2025 versus where you did before? I would have anticipated maybe the merchant GPU being a bit stronger earlier in the year. Just any reason behind those comments that caught me a little off guard.
Michael Tate CFO
Sure. Yes, so the — first of all, the merchant GPU drives both Scorpio and Aries. So the big incremental piece of the merchant GPUs is the score field content which is all new for us. The designs that we have are complex in nature, they're all new. So the — to get them — to productize and ramp we're looking at that to start off in the back half of the year. Right now, in the first half of the year's preproduction. These are all for custom configuration. So the customization adds a little bit of lead time to the volume rates.
Coherent: Tone on Pluggable Optics Versus Active Cable
In our analysis published last week, it was stated: “As we look at larger AI systems ramping this year, there is some evidence that issues around single-rack Blackwell systems have been resolved yet multi-rack interconnects continue to see issues with overheating. Even though Nvidia has stated they are on schedule with Blackwell, the B300s and next generation Rubin will very likely require more fine-tuning.”
However, there was a sudden change in Coherent’s tone around fiber optics versus copper, which we outlined here:
“Looking beyond traditional pluggable optics, there is an increasing amount of discussion around co-packaged optics (CPOs), which places the optical transceivers directly on the chip package, rather than using separate optical modules. This results in faster data transmission, reduced latency and higher bandwidth. This may be the best of both worlds: the performance of optical yet with reduced power consumption. Tracking this is especially important as since we last covered copper/Semtech, there have been reports that copper is “causing concurrent issues with overheating and glitching” with rumors Nvidia will launch a CPO switch at the upcoming GTC. That could mean Coherent will be a lead supplier for the anticipated CPO switch – we will be monitoring this closely.”
This later led to Semtech stating they expect sales of CopperEdge products to be lower than the $50 million guidance provided in the earnings call four weeks ago. Our team’s spidey senses were up following Coherent’s report (per the paragraph above), and thus, we respected the stop we provided to our Members in weekly webinars – here and here. The stop was hit on Friday with a trade alert stating the story had changed about 30 mins before market close. The context is important as it communicates that Semtech was also caught off guard as to changes with the server rack configuration with a sudden, unforeseen change in the last four weeks.
Regarding Coherent, if they were the beneficiary of pluggable optics replacing copper, one would assume a strong Q1. Yet when asked about the flat QoQ revenue on the call, the CEO stated it was not due to the AI-related segments: “It's pretty straightforward. We expect datacom and telecom to be up sequentially. And we expect the rest of our industrial related businesses to be down sequentially. And that net at the midpoint to be flat.”
Perhaps AI-related segments are remaining strong enough to not miss guidance, yet why are they not able to offset industrial weakness for sequential growth. That piece was left unanswered.
Read-through for Credo?
One potential read-through is that Credo is in a better position to gain the business following Semtech’s announcement with its AECs for AI backend networks. The company also offers optical DSPs and PAM4 solutions. The possibility of Credo gaining this business is an outcome we have been prepping for by owning a wide array of suppliers. Read more here.
With that said, it’s the sudden change of information from four weeks ago – announced Friday after market close — that marks a notable shift our Members should be aware of.
Power Management Integrated Circuits (PMICs):
This component is where the rubber meets the road as the thermal management issues Blackwell has been rumored to face are addressed with PMICs.
Monolithic Power Systems reported on Friday and had many comments about their ramp being H2 weighted: “Yes. Just to add a little bit of color to how we see the year rolling out, we believe that, we will be off to a slower start in the first half of the year. But as the year develops, the customer base is expected to broaden as hyperscalers launch their new products. We have multiple product ramps with both existing customers as well as with these new hyperscalers. So as Michael just said, we believe, it's likely to be a flattish year, but we believe that from a quality and supply availability perspective, we're in very good shape.”
On one hand, some analysts do not think MPS is designed into the Blackwell systems (Keybanc) whereas Truist is “highly confident” MPS is designed into the systems. According to this report, I lean with Keybanc that MPS is designed into Blackwell Ultra.
“(11/18) KeyBanc lowered the firm's price target on Monolithic Power to $700 from $1,075 and keeps an Overweight rating on the shares. The firm believes Monolithic Power will lose significant market share on Blackwell with the ramp of GB200/B200, as Hopper PMIC overheating issues have persisted on Blackwell. KeyBanc expects IFX to be the primary supplier on Blackwell, with Renesas having secondary share. While Monolithic Power is attempting to requalify, the earliest this likely could happen would be with Blackwell Ultra in the second half of 2025.”
“(12/16) Truist analyst William Stein lowered the firm's price target on Monolithic Power to $762 from $887 and keeps a Buy rating on the shares. The firm reiterated a cautious semiconductor and artificial intelligence sector view, but is more constructive on Nvidia (NVDA) and Monolithic Power (MPWR) while more cautious on Tesla (TSLA). While Monolithic Power's print position at Nvidia is in doubt today, Truist is "highly confident" that Monolithic is designed in to Blackwell, the analyst tells investors in a research note. The firm cut enterprise data revenue estimates for Q1 significantly, but highlights Monolithic's "likely top position across a breadth of AI customers, supporting solid growth over the next few years."
Yet another PMIC supplier that we covered on the Advanced side on Feb 5th, is stating that “We know that we're not the only one players going after this, so the share is still to be determined. The final design, everything is still to be finalized as well, too. So we're working closely with the customer. Again, at this point, we can say that we're targeting for a mid-year launch.”
This company is either discussing Blackwell Ultra with the B300s, or they are implying GB200s are delayed. After hearing from more component suppliers, the likelihood they are actually discussing Blackwell (and not Blackwell Ultra) has increased since we wrote the analysis last week.
Conclusion:
Investors should have a plan for this – ride out any weakness with the understanding there is $300 billion in capex and growing pointed right at AI hardware, or have a more active stance which includes risk controls such as stops on positions, hedging, etcetera. For the IOF, we hedge while having predefined price targets and predefined stops. For the most part, should the analysis we’ve presented above play out, then our goal will be to buy quality suppliers at lower prices. I firmly believe the suppliers that move Blackwell forward with be greatly rewarded, and the hard work we are putting in will be rewarded.
Direct liquid cooling suppliers report today at the bell (SMCI) and tomorrow before market open (Vertiv). Let’s see if they are aligned (or not) with the other suppliers offering a mixed Q1 outlook.
Regarding Nvidia, we recently trimmed 6% to re-allocate to Nvidia AI hardware suppliers. If we break $126 and/or $113, it’s my understanding we will trim more with the goal of loading back up sub-$100 and perhaps even sub-$90. Join the Advanced webinar this Thursday to find out more.
Please note: The I/O Fund conducts research and draws conclusions for the company’s portfolio. We then share that information with our readers and offer real-time trade notifications. This is not a guarantee of a stock’s performance and it is not financial advice. Please consult your personal financial advisor before buying any stock in the companies mentioned in this analysis. Beth Kindig and the I/O Fund own shares in NVDA at the time of writing and may own stocks pictured in the charts.
We’ve heard from a handful of management teams that are direct suppliers to Blackwell over the last four business days, and the tone has shifted to more of a H2 discussion for rack-level systems. There are a few possibilities for this shift in tone, such as these specific suppliers are falling out of favor with Nvidia, but given that a variety of suppliers are echoing one another, it’s more likely that Nvidia’s GB200s are not completely on time to ramp in volume for Q1 and at least for part of Q2 as “mid-summer” and “H2” has come up repeatedly.
This is not a prediction, as reading tea leaves or a crystal ball is not the service we offer. What we offer is analysis – a way of connecting the dots to make more informed decisions. Right now, according to our analysis and earnings calls, the risk to the downside has increased that Nvidia is not shipping on time for the more complex GPU systems. Should the analysis play out, it simply means we will get Nvidia’s stock lower for the next leg higher.
The comments offered below are subtleties, as the last thing a supplier wants to do is get in the crosshairs of Nvidia. Yet, we’ve had a handful of suppliers’ report, and I’m struggling to find the expected strong commentary for the March quarter and there is also an absence of strong commentary for the June quarter (as it currently stands).
I’ve been on back-to-back earnings calls and offer the following excerpts in terms of this conclusion.
Astera Labs: Aries PCIe Gen 6 Tone Changed
It makes sense to start with Astera because they were the most direct in terms of discussing merchant GPUs (i.e., Nvidia) not being the driver for Q1.
Astera stated they are shipping pre-production quantities for its Scorpio P Series and Aries PCIe Gen 6 solutions to maximize GPU throughput. The company stated: “These programs are driving higher dollar content opportunities for Astera Labs on a full rack and full accelerator basis and we expect volume deployments to begin in the second half of this year.”
What this comment implies is both the Scorpio P Series and PCIe Gen 6 will deploy in H2, yet originally, PCIe 6.0 was expected to ramp with support initially offered in the GB200s. Back in March, Astera demo’ed PCIe 6.0 for a wide range of Blackwell products.
There was also indication back in the August call that Gen 6 was confirmed to be used in Blackwell’s GB200, and there were initial shipments: “We have started shipping initial quantities of preproduction orders of our PCIe Gen 6 solution, Aries 6. We ship and support our hyperscaler customers initial program developments that are based on Nvidia's Blackwell platform, including GB200.”
There was further confirmation in the November call that preproduction volumes were shipping: “At the recent 2024 OCP Global Summit, we demonstrated the industry's first PCIe Gen 6 fabric switch, which is currently shipping in preproduction volumes for AI platforms.”
As Nvidia investors, we keep a close eye on these suppliers as they often can flag any issues with unparalleled accuracy. Given we are nose-down on many earnings reports over the past year regarding Nvidia’s AI systems specifically, there’s a notable change in tone for Astera to go from preproduction volumes to now shipping in volume in H2.
The following was discussed in the Q&A section:
“Now, if you look into 2025, we see both contributing growth. The first half of the year will be more predominantly the AI – internal AI accelerator programs. But if you get into the back half of the year, the transition on the merchant GPUs will also be very strong for us. This is where you'll see the custom rack configurations start to deploy and that’s where we see a big dollar increase in our contemporary GPU with Scorpio starting to ramp.”
On one hand this is a positive, but on the other hand, it raises questions as to why merchant GPUs (Nvidia) will be stronger in the back half of the year as this does not match the anticipated timing originally described by Nvidia’s management team with the CEO stating, “Blackwell production is in full steam. I think we're in great shape with respect to the Blackwell ramp at this point.”
There could be an argument made it’s unique to Astera Labs, yet we have seen something similar echoed across a few management teams recently.
Thomas O'Malley Barclays Bank
Super helpful. And then my follow-up was just — I think it was Mike's commentary on one of the first questions here on the call. You talked about kind of the year 2025 on the Aries side, talking about how in the first half of the year, you would see more internal AI efforts followed by the second half of the year being more merchant GPU. That comment was a bit surprising to me given we're going through a big product transition now at the large customer of yours. So is there any change in the way that you see the ramp of 2025 versus where you did before? I would have anticipated maybe the merchant GPU being a bit stronger earlier in the year. Just any reason behind those comments that caught me a little off guard.
Michael Tate CFO
Sure. Yes, so the — first of all, the merchant GPU drives both Scorpio and Aries. So the big incremental piece of the merchant GPUs is the score field content which is all new for us. The designs that we have are complex in nature, they're all new. So the — to get them — to productize and ramp we're looking at that to start off in the back half of the year. Right now, in the first half of the year's preproduction. These are all for custom configuration. So the customization adds a little bit of lead time to the volume rates.
Coherent: Tone on Pluggable Optics Versus Active Cable
In our analysis published last week, it was stated: “As we look at larger AI systems ramping this year, there is some evidence that issues around single-rack Blackwell systems have been resolved yet multi-rack interconnects continue to see issues with overheating. Even though Nvidia has stated they are on schedule with Blackwell, the B300s and next generation Rubin will very likely require more fine-tuning.”
However, there was a sudden change in Coherent’s tone around fiber optics versus copper, which we outlined here:
“Looking beyond traditional pluggable optics, there is an increasing amount of discussion around co-packaged optics (CPOs), which places the optical transceivers directly on the chip package, rather than using separate optical modules. This results in faster data transmission, reduced latency and higher bandwidth. This may be the best of both worlds: the performance of optical yet with reduced power consumption. Tracking this is especially important as since we last covered copper/Semtech, there have been reports that copper is “causing concurrent issues with overheating and glitching” with rumors Nvidia will launch a CPO switch at the upcoming GTC. That could mean Coherent will be a lead supplier for the anticipated CPO switch – we will be monitoring this closely.”
This later led to Semtech stating they expect sales of CopperEdge products to be lower than the $50 million guidance provided in the earnings call four weeks ago. Our team’s spidey senses were up following Coherent’s report (per the paragraph above), and thus, we respected the stop we provided to our Members in weekly webinars. The stop was hit on Friday with a trade alert stating the story had changed about 30 mins before market close. The context is important as it communicates that Semtech was also caught off guard as to changes with the server rack configuration with a sudden, unforeseen change in the last four weeks.
Regarding Coherent, if they were the beneficiary of pluggable optics replacing copper, one would assume a strong Q1. Yet when asked about the flat QoQ revenue on the call, the CEO stated it was not due to the AI-related segments: “It's pretty straightforward. We expect datacom and telecom to be up sequentially. And we expect the rest of our industrial related businesses to be down sequentially. And that net at the midpoint to be flat.”
Perhaps AI-related segments are remaining strong enough to not miss guidance, yet why are they not able to offset industrial weakness for sequential growth. That piece was left unanswered.
Read-through for Credo?
One potential read-through is that Credo is in a better position to gain the business following Semtech’s announcement with its AECs for AI backend networks. The company also offers optical DSPs and PAM4 solutions. The possibility of Credo gaining this business is an outcome we have been prepping for by owning a wide array of suppliers. Read more here.
With that said, it’s the sudden change of information from four weeks ago – announced Friday after market close — that marks a notable shift our Members should be aware of.
Power Management Integrated Circuits (PMICs):
This component is where the rubber meets the road as the thermal management issues Blackwell has been rumored to face are addressed with PMICs.
Monolithic Power Systems reported on Friday and had many comments about their ramp being H2 weighted: “Yes. Just to add a little bit of color to how we see the year rolling out, we believe that, we will be off to a slower start in the first half of the year. But as the year develops, the customer base is expected to broaden as hyperscalers launch their new products. We have multiple product ramps with both existing customers as well as with these new hyperscalers. So as Michael just said, we believe, it's likely to be a flattish year, but we believe that from a quality and supply availability perspective, we're in very good shape.”
On one hand, some analysts do not think MPS is designed into the Blackwell systems (Keybanc) whereas Truist is “highly confident” MPS is designed into the systems. According to this report, I lean with Keybanc that MPS is designed into Blackwell Ultra.
“(11/18) KeyBanc lowered the firm's price target on Monolithic Power to $700 from $1,075 and keeps an Overweight rating on the shares. The firm believes Monolithic Power will lose significant market share on Blackwell with the ramp of GB200/B200, as Hopper PMIC overheating issues have persisted on Blackwell. KeyBanc expects IFX to be the primary supplier on Blackwell, with Renesas having secondary share. While Monolithic Power is attempting to requalify, the earliest this likely could happen would be with Blackwell Ultra in the second half of 2025.”
“(12/16) Truist analyst William Stein lowered the firm's price target on Monolithic Power to $762 from $887 and keeps a Buy rating on the shares. The firm reiterated a cautious semiconductor and artificial intelligence sector view, but is more constructive on Nvidia (NVDA) and Monolithic Power (MPWR) while more cautious on Tesla (TSLA). While Monolithic Power's print position at Nvidia is in doubt today, Truist is "highly confident" that Monolithic is designed in to Blackwell, the analyst tells investors in a research note. The firm cut enterprise data revenue estimates for Q1 significantly, but highlights Monolithic's "likely top position across a breadth of AI customers, supporting solid growth over the next few years."
Yet another PMIC supplier that we covered on the Advanced side on Feb 5th, is stating that “We know that we're not the only one players going after this, so the share is still to be determined. The final design, everything is still to be finalized as well, too. So we're working closely with the customer. Again, at this point, we can say that we're targeting for a mid-year launch.”
This company is either discussing Blackwell Ultra with the B300s, or they are implying GB200s are delayed. After hearing from more component suppliers, the likelihood they are actually discussing Blackwell (and not Blackwell Ultra) has increased since we wrote the analysis last week.
Conclusion:
Investors should have a plan for this – ride out any weakness with the understanding there is $300 billion in capex and growing pointed right at AI hardware, or have a more active stance which includes risk controls such as stops on positions, hedging, etcetera. For the IOF, we hedge while having predefined price targets and predefined stops. For the most part, should the analysis we’ve presented above play out, then our goal will be to buy quality suppliers at lower prices. I firmly believe the suppliers that move Blackwell forward with be greatly rewarded, and the hard work we are putting in will be rewarded.
Direct liquid cooling suppliers report today at the bell (SMCI) and tomorrow before market open (Vertiv). Let’s see if they are aligned (or not) with the other suppliers offering a mixed Q1 outlook.
Regarding Nvidia, we recently trimmed 6% to re-allocate to Nvidia AI hardware suppliers. If we break $126 and/or $113, it’s my understanding we will trim more with the goal of loading back up sub-$100 and perhaps even sub-$90. We will discuss this more in our Advanced webinar this Thursday.
Please note: The I/O Fund conducts research and draws conclusions for the company’s portfolio. We then share that information with our readers and offer real-time trade notifications. This is not a guarantee of a stock’s performance and it is not financial advice. Please consult your personal financial advisor before buying any stock in the companies mentioned in this analysis. Beth Kindig and the I/O Fund own shares in NVDA at the time of writing and may own stocks pictured in the charts.